[For some, the previous version of the email. was unreadeable. Here it is again, with appologies. Mods.]
dear Morlock, On Fri, 10 Jul 2015, morlockel...@yahoo.com wrote: > Exonerating makers of malicious tools because they did it only for > the irresistible appeal of money (as opposed to being inherently > evil and wanted to screw activists) is ridiculous. this is not exactly what I intend to say with my message. In fact I do believe that scientists and researchers in general should be responsible and ethical in what they do. Let this argument just rest for a moment as I don't really want to dig into this discussion, which is somehow too complex for this medium. Just consider the history of science and freedom issues connected to it, for instance with regards to anatomical dissection, atomic bomb research and such... rest assured I have a fairly conservative approach to that myself, yet not a religious one. My point is about keeping balance and the intended audience of my message is mostly the activists reading, whose vast majority I perceive to be infuriated against some mercenary hackers, without really perceiving the big picture. And yes I have acquaintance to one of the HT developers, which basically makes me sad about the whole story, but I'm not a judge nor a lawyer and I'm really not seeking exemption for any of them here. > They knew exactly what they were doing. Just following orders is not > a valid defense, for some time now. Right. I'm just asking about those venture capitals, some of which seem to be even using public funds, to boost espionage activities of the military-industrial complex I tried to describe and in clearly illegal directions (as in supporting western allies adverse regimes). Actually, following Brett's last mail, one can quickly notice that 360capitalpartners has even received funding from the EU commission, now I'm wondering what is their ethical charter on the many other projects they support, covering fields that may also be very sensitive. I'm very interested in how does that sounds in the ears of activists and how do we plan to react to the bigger picture, in case we like to organize a response after having burned the witches that need to be burned, pardon me if I still find that as smelling disgusting, yet I'm not willing to exonerate them from being spooky and evil at times. Not sure about you in fact, but I'm so perverse I do find interesting to get to know people that present themselves as spooky and evil at times, while the rethoric of white-hats today is rather boring to my ears especially when it does not takes into account the bigger picture. Perhaps this narrow mindedness of white-hats is a signal that even the hacker movement of today is mostly driven by personalizing individualist positions and a sort of turf war on the shores of what we consider ethical. Meanwhile we all seem to agree that bugging an activist laptop is oh-my-god very bad, without contemplating the fact there are more neo-fascist activists in Europe than anything else. > Eventually, it will come to those just following orders, programmers > and engineers, enabling efficient population control, and doing it > just for $100K+ salaries and stock options. It always does. You are right and yes, it already does. Actually the Silicon Valley salaries are now up to $350K/y in the best cases. I'm just wondering about how we will distribute the responsibility for... "illegal usage of algorithms": will it trickle up to the funds helping to scale their deployement in mass-production and even disregarding exportation laws, or will it hit the freedom of research, eventually leading to some sort of "authorization" or "license" to access, develop and publish certain algorithms? I ask this because when I read the reaction of most activists being driven mostly again the researchers, the latter is the scenario I predict to take place. Hoping this clarifies my concerns, ciao -- Denis "Jaromil" Roio, Dyne.org Think (& Do) Tank We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQQcBAEBCAAGBQJVqMIoAAoJEHOzXaVKy30Q7ZIgAIWC//zjmBzz56a+CTfwvRlr vN0I72lWSxCod/OiJD7Rzj3cPiLUC2+DyIN7GNuI5hsYMD+gZb69TwKixLtGrw8J IUUa0fWcv/7ax8TOyA6P4aTTTYd+3BGja1frrDfHaMytCd7IeLN7m11t/gNWc7Dp xkfKqFhTxME7XaABc67QKZiFhOpNoKzYES+pJnz1Bm8GYvH3lI9oKXkReXxppPqn 4GiS9xiUYeR7o/1amydciyAMk0qd9ZSgol3D+Go4CKjVpzoO9/o9VIt5R+iwjfOC Gxwv3KtrtSO1JnwTfI933W8bSpwxyU9DmSI9aRHMjxqFYhTmxLyYa6LcKa8U3/Ha NmebWad7dbdLkKXS/vprKim9rgcaDUO4+Ovl1OUuJ/Kdtac0Vi+yHpmfSIgB7BrW Fb4/GCEXpEfrp+bzCsGnZwCc8fj5gz+iDLjWtp8bt5zt12yU4XXKz69sFtszjt/b 19f9jWbczsmlmsbF3ltDrzOChtfs1GKof/vDRM/QwcJi5mdpqzi1kRXyOdb6kIvj AUDPQ6bFmlCvDy7nrYFZGbOOPHLbhhhi8j1lcXHIb68aMb3IYoPezREdkiPOpF/E FZtCQn+GFgkJ780guz098VkolrKCWxW0Pnb4p76pXDe8vEExMSO5Wm3HMx25w4vj YUlWvMnBOpABo790uNAZyWyYLr6rNeIhZDcR5W6gZ8F+qq9ZmBGEbXa8zNQANnMk ycRCva+WOaJFos/cvgTVIrNdB8bum/qUkOSG4WTOf6nF3pCixLtCdECQK/OkWn+A /AGcdK2ATzLXNSgHqckYn/U1pzkpQVdfFyL+Yu5IF5CoWrj5cpLcPfwrX/gpp7Dl gkEeGXfmfQTEvMoXS49GBjEDOwxz8dVx3rEqtjD4wy+ljjNV4oDHlQJOnZmKcg65 ho3RbuI3WFeYjkJln9qFh7t/f7eFhzmMlIElm+FgDCHFDWeO9Ja5HkOLqafdPmIV 1GucodtBYb14EWTtNBnxfYphTRD8GYgvqc4kUwZwk2f4QpkQLHBoJBOTf0xLf/Ow 45DOqCqfAuFvYlaarGzDezAUd/AndcqyFhk5JpusP6r+6ovaIqyYySM/PYF7i/WW GyQHD1W2bfwaOadXelKUItsof2KMkvFVH2Acvcoskp1SCfK6oA4NSL7WAAuELOPb ml4cfFeYhSMqCa/XUZD1/oUJHLgYY2nuC2jGRxl8mezLpr9J6HrtWVPRw602ey1d jUkhGbuJb8voykIsEE+tKe/YgdWC3uoUJjnWP0B75RVRbqT8gA58yFJ6pw4uzrBQ HaPz/m5ksM+jlQqvmU/lIuEntX6bzPBmLyMqGjwDi+jT5W3brmlAbzbfQMHTbjY�ZM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qcHopEYAB45HaUaB--
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