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On 11 September 2018 at 14:10, David Garcia < [email protected]> wrote: > Whoops > Sorry yes it should have read Hermann Nitsch > > On 11 Sep 2018, at 14:02, bronac ferran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Has Hermann become Friedrich here? > Or is it vice versa? > > On 11 September 2018 at 08:56, David Garcia <d.garcia@new-tactical- > research.co.uk> wrote: > >> Yes thanks Florian- so interesting to read this mangling of Gramsci by >> Yiannopolous. The extraordinary images of him cavorting in a bath of >> pig’s blood in a scandalously naive (or simply cynical) NY Chelsea >> gallery, purportedly >> mourning the lives lost to Islamic fundementalism- he looked for all the >> world like >> a "bargain basement" Herman Nietzsche. This plumbed new depths of >> shock/kitch (is >> that a genre there days- looking at Yiannopolous’s erstwhile friend >> Lucien Wintrich >> photo series Twinks for Trump its beginning to look that way). >> Actually this hides the more serious development that Yiannopolous’s >> tactics have >> re-purposed the venerable Camp sensibility which he cleverly connects >> with Lulz, as >> sharing the ability to be shocking whilst simultaneously using their >> respective modes >> as solvents to neutralize moral indignation. >> >> 1. A couple of asides at the end of last year Wolfgang Streeck wrote a >> very >> interesting piece for London review of Books called ‘You Need a Gun’ >> which >> argued that Gramsci concept of hegemony could not be understood if it >> were seen >> to be coercion free- but that coercion takes many forms with violence as >> a background >> option always available if all else fails. Though there is much that >> there may be much >> that Bannon and the other Gramscian’s of the new American far right get >> wrong but this >> is one aspect they have understood quite well. >> >> 2. This is quite tenuous association but listening to your talk I thought >> of the English Marxist >> philosopher Peter Dews’s book -The Idea of Evil- interrogates a certain >> bias in history >> and political thought that ‘people who are pessiistic about human nature >> tend to be >> right wing, while left wing thinkers tend to be optimistic about human >> nature (in Dews’s >> view naively so) in a recent interview Dews declared that he wanted to >> disrupt this >> alignment.. Whilst listening to your talk in Berlin I wondered if there >> was something like an >> exploration of the affective consequences of such a re-alignment in your >> talk and the questions >> that this might ask of us. >> >> Best >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> On 10 Sep 2018, at 23:58, Florian Cramer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks, David - as I said in the discussion in Berlin, Stewart and I >> ended up >> in a weird place where we practically taught the "Alt-Right" its own >> history. >> One shouldn't read too much into its grasp of Gramsci though. This is >> what Milo >> Yiannopolous wrote about him in the original manuscript of his book >> 'Dangerous' (that Simon & Schuster ended up not publishing): >> >> And so, in the 1920s, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci decided that the >> time had come for a new form of revolution -- one based on culture, not >> class. According to Gramsci, the reason why the proletariat had failed to >> rise up was because old, conservative ideas like loyalty to one's country, >> family values, and religion held too much sway in working-class >> communities. >> If that sounds familiar to Obama's comment about guns and religion, that's >> because it should. His line of thinking, as we shall see, is directly >> descended from the ideological tradition of Gramsci. Gramsci argued that >> as a >> precursor to revolution, the old traditions of the west -- or the >> 'cultural >> hegemony,' as he called it -- would have to be systematically broken >> down. To >> do so, Gramsci argued that "proletarian" intellectuals should seek to >> challenge the dominance of traditionalism in education and the media, and >> create a new revolutionary culture. Gramsci's ideas would prove >> phenomenally >> influential. If you've ever wondered why forced to take diversity or >> gender >> studies courses at university, or why your professors all seem to hate >> western civilization ... Well ' ..new you knew who to blame Gramsci. >> >> (Because of the lawsuit, the manuscript is publicly available here: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjc0n5dll244o2w/Milo%20Y%20book% >> 20with%20edits.pdf?dl=0 >> ) >> -F >> -- >> blog: https://pod.thing.org/people/13a6057015b90136f896525400cd8561 >> bio: http://floriancramer.nl >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> >> >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >> > > > > -- > Bronaċ > > > > -- Bronaċ
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