It is a suitable conflation, considering the reductive appropriation by Nazis of F. Nietzsche.
> On Sep 11, 2018, at 4:43 PM, bronac ferran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Happens all the time > "There are also red secrets in the world, actually, only reds. > Notices about Filtered Results > > >> On 11 September 2018 at 14:10, David Garcia >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Whoops >> Sorry yes it should have read Hermann Nitsch >> >>> On 11 Sep 2018, at 14:02, bronac ferran <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Has Hermann become Friedrich here? >>> Or is it vice versa? >>> >>>> On 11 September 2018 at 08:56, David Garcia >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Yes thanks Florian- so interesting to read this mangling of Gramsci by >>>> Yiannopolous. The extraordinary images of him cavorting in a bath of >>>> pig’s blood in a scandalously naive (or simply cynical) NY Chelsea >>>> gallery, purportedly >>>> mourning the lives lost to Islamic fundementalism- he looked for all the >>>> world like >>>> a "bargain basement" Herman Nietzsche. This plumbed new depths of >>>> shock/kitch (is >>>> that a genre there days- looking at Yiannopolous’s erstwhile friend Lucien >>>> Wintrich >>>> photo series Twinks for Trump its beginning to look that way). >>>> Actually this hides the more serious development that Yiannopolous’s >>>> tactics have >>>> re-purposed the venerable Camp sensibility which he cleverly connects with >>>> Lulz, as >>>> sharing the ability to be shocking whilst simultaneously using their >>>> respective modes >>>> as solvents to neutralize moral indignation. >>>> >>>> 1. A couple of asides at the end of last year Wolfgang Streeck wrote a very >>>> interesting piece for London review of Books called ‘You Need a Gun’ which >>>> argued that Gramsci concept of hegemony could not be understood if it were >>>> seen >>>> to be coercion free- but that coercion takes many forms with violence as a >>>> background >>>> option always available if all else fails. Though there is much that there >>>> may be much >>>> that Bannon and the other Gramscian’s of the new American far right get >>>> wrong but this >>>> is one aspect they have understood quite well. >>>> >>>> 2. This is quite tenuous association but listening to your talk I thought >>>> of the English Marxist >>>> philosopher Peter Dews’s book -The Idea of Evil- interrogates a certain >>>> bias in history >>>> and political thought that ‘people who are pessiistic about human nature >>>> tend to be >>>> right wing, while left wing thinkers tend to be optimistic about human >>>> nature (in Dews’s >>>> view naively so) in a recent interview Dews declared that he wanted to >>>> disrupt this >>>> alignment.. Whilst listening to your talk in Berlin I wondered if there >>>> was something like an >>>> exploration of the affective consequences of such a re-alignment in your >>>> talk and the questions >>>> that this might ask of us. >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 10 Sep 2018, at 23:58, Florian Cramer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, David - as I said in the discussion in Berlin, Stewart and I >>>>> ended up >>>>> in a weird place where we practically taught the "Alt-Right" its own >>>>> history. >>>>> One shouldn't read too much into its grasp of Gramsci though. This is >>>>> what Milo >>>>> Yiannopolous wrote about him in the original manuscript of his book >>>>> 'Dangerous' (that Simon & Schuster ended up not publishing): >>>>> And so, in the 1920s, the Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci decided that the >>>>> time had come for a new form of revolution -- one based on culture, not >>>>> class. According to Gramsci, the reason why the proletariat had failed to >>>>> rise up was because old, conservative ideas like loyalty to one's country, >>>>> family values, and religion held too much sway in working-class >>>>> communities. >>>>> If that sounds familiar to Obama's comment about guns and religion, that's >>>>> because it should. His line of thinking, as we shall see, is directly >>>>> descended from the ideological tradition of Gramsci. Gramsci argued that >>>>> as a >>>>> precursor to revolution, the old traditions of the west -- or the >>>>> 'cultural >>>>> hegemony,' as he called it -- would have to be systematically broken >>>>> down. To >>>>> do so, Gramsci argued that "proletarian" intellectuals should seek to >>>>> challenge the dominance of traditionalism in education and the media, and >>>>> create a new revolutionary culture. Gramsci's ideas would prove >>>>> phenomenally >>>>> influential. If you've ever wondered why forced to take diversity or >>>>> gender >>>>> studies courses at university, or why your professors all seem to hate >>>>> western civilization ... Well ' ..new you knew who to blame Gramsci. >>>>> (Because of the lawsuit, the manuscript is publicly available here: >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjc0n5dll244o2w/Milo%20Y%20book%20with%20edits.pdf?dl=0 >>>>> ) >>>>> -F >>>>> -- >>>>> blog: https://pod.thing.org/people/13a6057015b90136f896525400cd8561 >>>>> bio: http://floriancramer.nl >>>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>>>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>>>> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >>>>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >>>> >>>> >>>> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission >>>> # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, >>>> # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets >>>> # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l >>>> # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] >>>> # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Bronaċ >>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Bronaċ > > > # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
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