To all, Thank you to everyone on this thread for airing their views! I live the image of death flowers, and the wit and optimism; the critical flow. So essential to our mental health.
Here is Mike Davis in New Left Review— https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/riot-on-the-hill?fbclid=IwAR2fzAQuY58gDiCN2qexHzMQWdIcw6VP1bUv3ZI4L8NTMyPfOJ7I7zbxg94 Molly On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:17 PM Brian Holmes <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:27 PM Vesna Manojlovic <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As someone from an (ex) country who went through "this", let me tell you: >> it can be both/and. >> >> Vesna, I am glad you wrote. Throughout these years I have thought of > other peoples' experiences in the former Yugoslavia, in Hungary, in Poland, > in Russia and so many other places (NL, etc) beset by the global fascist > surge. > > You are right: new things are going to unfold while the bullshit continues > and worsens. > > The question of how to deal with the "death flowers" is the essence of it. > They can't exploit any more. There's no man to kick, there's no woman to > rape. Ultraviolence is the immediate escape hatch when someone asks for > minimum accountability. > > I would like to know what other people think. US society is experiencing > some kind of pathological tremor, and it's synchronous with all kinds of > other places around the world. > > When I spoke of a "total social fact," it's exactly the kind of political > sequence that Vesna is talking about. That's the breakdown of a bad social > order in favor of a worse one. And then the question of how you move > forward when the breakdown has occurred. > > It's hard for someone from the outside to believe that certain things > happened in the 90s, even when they know. Maybe I had so many friends in > the former Yugoslavia because I know so many things about the place where I > come from. > > be well, Brian > > > >> Here are some takes from twitter that say the same as Brian, thou: >> >> Solitaire Townsend: >> https://twitter.com/GreenSolitaire/status/1347115498924871680 >> & <https://twitter.com/GreenSolitaire/status/1347115498924871680&;> the >> whole thread: >> https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1347115498924871680.html >> >> >> " 'death flowering': it happens when an old tree is diseased >> and rotting from the inside. >> >> Trump, Cruz and the GOP in the US and other 'strongmen' attempts >> around the world - they are death flowers >> White supremacists - death flowers >> INCEL misogynists - death flowers >> >> The chaotic growth, bursting energy with no direction, the urgency >> against >> losing entitlements, they are dying and know it, deep down. This isn't >> their world anymore. >> Epicormic growth isn't sustainable. It's desperation. >> >> But, here's the kicker. You can't wait for a death flowering tree to just >> fall. Foresters will get their axe when they spot them, >> because these trees can infect and damage the forest itself. They are >> dangerous and their rot might pass to other trees. >> You gotta chop them down. >> Those death flowers are destructive and need felling." >> >> & Bill McKibben >> >> "I can't quite figure out how to say this, but 24 hours later it feels >> like there's something potentially healthy about what happened yesterday. >> The festering wound is out in the open now. The pus reeks, but at least >> it's open to the air. It's harder to gaslight people in daytime." >> >> https://twitter.com/billmckibben/status/1347273450872832003 >> >> >> Your tweeting correspondent, >> Vesna >> >> >> -- >> community, cooperation, commons, squirrels // http://becha.home.xs4all.nl >> nature, anarchy, utopia, un-anthropocene // https://www.unciv.nl // >> @Ms_Multicolor >> >> # distributed via <nettime>: no commercial use without permission > # <nettime> is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, > # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets > # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l > # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: [email protected] > # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject: -- molly hankwitz - she/her http://bivoulab.org
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