Joseph Rabie wrote:

"For those (as myself) who consider Capitalism a dead end, trying to
understand why Communism could not perdure in a country such as China (or
the USSR, or the Eastern Bloc) is of interest."

Joe, I went to China several times and I could observe a few things about
Chinese Communism.

By far the worst aspect was walking down a street with Chinese people and
they pointed to a door leading inside to a large courtyard and said,
"that's where the cops organize a social club for half of the neighborhood
that spies on the other half."

This was and remains the major problem of really-existing Communism: the
inability to deal with difference politically, leading to an extremely
oppressive use of force instead. I am sad to say I observed the same thing
in Cuba: the artists I met there go in and out of jail, it's very
oppressive. A horrible place as far as I could see, the last place I would
ever like to live. Everywhere they brutalize you with the exact same
pictures of Che and Fidel that we thrilled to see on posters in France,
only there are thousands of them, printed for example on 20-meter long
canvases spilling off the balconies of little town halls on the periphery
of Havana. Plus there's basically no development, folks are dirt poor. The
people are wonderful but they're really crushed by the regime. Cuba has
done some great things in Latin America with its communist ideals and its
doctors, and the governing classes are incredibly smart and well educated,
but in its current form it is definitely not a viable model for the future.
China is similar in some respects, but with a billion-plus people and a
three-thousand year history of specialized bureaucratic governance it's a
little bit different.

While in China I also made the effort to study the spread of capitalism in
the Shenzhen area and I went to villages where the land had been privatized
in two ways: collectively the village leased the newly privatized land to
large factories, and individually people had built large rental dormitories
for the workers, plus there were bulk businesses all over. This was the
pattern that evolved under Deng Xiaoping, on the basis of land
privatization. "It is glorious to get rich" and "Someone has to get rich
first," as Deng famously proclaimed. In that way the dynamics of capitalist
wealth accumulation were unleashed around the country. Needless to say the
place is a lot more developed than Cuba because it's basically a managerial
capitalist society, whereas Cuba is just Communism on tropical ice. China,
on the other hand, has a really perfectly oppressed and controlled working
class whose managers been able to take over a huge percentage of global
manufacturing operations - with the help and investment of the rest of the
global corporate elites, for sure. Despite lots of strikes and organizing
(which is going to be seriously hurt by the crackdown on Hong Kong,
however), the working class remains loyal and obedient because it's very
nice to get some income, and not so nice to get thrown into a reeducation
camp, or just beat up or whatever. Some day when you have time, count the
number of coal-burning plants that the proletariat has installed in China
for the needs of global capitalism. Basically, it's humanity's death
sentence right there. Built to meet the demands of Euro-American consumers
of course.

What's in some sense admirable in the Chinese system, however, is the CP
itself. The party is huge (over 91 million members!), it functions to
gather information about society, develop policy ideas and subject all that
to critique. It's democratic centralism. This is a very broad process
including lots of experimentation. Party Congresses then hash it out and
what they judge to be the best will become official policy. The
experimentation ends, the policies are implemented, and as the years go by
they are evaluated in the same ways. If you're not a Uigher or a dissident,
and if they haven't built a railroad through your village or decided to
tear down your neighborhood so the local glorious rich guy can build a
shopping mall, this form of government can be very efficient. That
efficiency looks awful right now (the large cities all bear a devastating
resemblance to San Jose - the epitome of commercial sprawl in the US) but
as climate change intensifies China will be able to take steps that the
West will not, failing a change in our way of governing. I think that how
China develops in this respect is central to the future of the entire
planet, so it's worth keeping an eye on it for sure. It's an incredibly
dynamic society right now.

Max Herman is totally right to say that all complex industrial societies
include specialized bureaucracies, this was identified in the US case as
"the managerial state" (James Burnham) and later as "the technostructure"
(JK Galbraith). This is what we find across the developed world since WWII:
dense interlocks between administrators and corporate hierarchies,
supported by universities and specialized professionals. No doubt Mao
wanted to resist the onset of such things in China and that was the reason
for the Cultural Revolution: but it doesn't matter because Mao failed
completely in that respect. Today China has a tremendous technostructure,
mirroring that of the US. People don't and won't stage full-on revolutions
against these systems because they deliver extremely high standards of
living, it's not like Tsarist Russia or Mexico in the 1910s. So this whole
idea that we're gonna revolt and change the system for a fundamentally
different one, no, it's not going to happen. People will not trade a luxury
lifestyle for civil war, chaos and penury. So you would have to actually
change this thing from the inside. You would have to do it through
political means.

There's an unfortunate corollary to this observation, which nullifies a lot
of the utopian ideas we celebrated in the 1990s. It turns out that you
cannot replace what the technostructure delivers with small autonomously
organized initiatives. We have seen that such utopias are a joke. Jack
Dorsey comes along and makes some fabulous hacker creativity into Twitter.
Then the whole world uses it. If we want to have anything like a democracy
we have to prevail on Jack Dorsey's corporation to use some force over the
users of his machine. Which is finally happening I am glad to say.

I have spent my adult life analyzing and, when possible, working against
the devastating consequences of the managerial state, particularly but not
only in the US. I am a pundit, yes, and I think it's a valuable activity
because if you want to change the technostructure you have to participate
in an immense process of collective learning about what it is (or you could
also say, about what we are) and then try to apply that knowledge. It is
not going to be easy. It will also require the use of various kinds of
force to control fascists who don't really want to topple the
technostructure, they just want to impose their brutal and retrograde
values on it, to retain a sad kind of privilege that stretches back to the
time when European settlers stole the land and started exploiting it,
through genocide, enslavement and all the rest. It is really amazing that
the American multiracial Left has identified this privilege and now talks
about how to overcome it, not just in seminars or obscure books but on the
radio, TV and in the halls of government every day. We call that
liberation. It's something to be proud of. We also call that the Left.

So the main thing it will require, if any change is gonna come, is the Left
entering government with all its progressive ideas about equity and
ecology. The Left stretches from the grassroots to the contested heart of
the state. It maintains the difference between civil society and the state,
which is essential to democratic experimentation and effective critique
(self-organizing is still super important and valuable, just don't expect
it to rule the world and become the only game in town). The generous ideals
of the Left respond to a million aspirations that hierarchical capitalism
can't satisfy. One of them is equity - which is not just equality, but
above all the attempt to redress the historical wrongs that make equality
impossible for many, many categories of people. The other big one is,
obviously, ecological survival in a situation that is increasingly
threatened.

All these things are at stake in the US right now. I lived through some
pretty amazing political sequences in France, but never anything on this
scale. Of course it could come out very badly, but what else is new? Well,
what's new is the tremendous level of struggle, on political coordinates
that are no longer the us/them, friend/enemy, capitalist/communist
coordinates of the twentieth century.

I keep writing in this thread because it would be just too absurd to
abandon the theorization of the present for some banal Stalinist ideas of
the 1950s - as though the Soviet invasion of Hungary never happened, whew,
what nonsense.

all the best with hopes for some social democracy,

Brian
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