> On 19 Jan 2021, at 9:52 pm, bronac ferran <bron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The List needs a new Topic


Bronac, I agree. This was a tense thread, but also a worthty end of the Trump 
era.

On a bright note, look at this video again: Trump rapping China, China, China:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs>

In general it would be would for nettime to focus more on China :) Or let’s be 
more clear, to fellow Chinese critics, artists, coders, theorists, researchers 
and other dreamers. To get an understanding of the Party and its relation to 
the business elites is one, but can we still have a direct dialogue with people 
out there? Or how dialogues with Hong Kong? How are people coping there, after 
the great showdown of 2019-2020? How can we strenghten ties with critical 
forces in Taiwan?

With Trump gone our own Chinese Question (and how to relate with the official 
forces there) will be even more important as the authoritian grip of the Xi 
regime is only further tightening. Will you except an invitation from a school 
or art institution in Shanghai? Will there be a cultural boycott of China soon? 
In whose interest owuld this be? Has Hong Kong already lost its status aparte 
for you?

What else is there to discuss on nettime as the world moves on to Telegram and 
Signal? What to make of social media governance? I do not think this will get 
us anywhere... Internet as public infrastructure aka stack… yes. The clash of 
cultures and strategies in the (de)centralization debate are unresolved. Can 
federation scale? How to dismantle Google and Facebook?

Ciao, Geert


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