On 19 November 2014 16:15, ck raju <[email protected]> wrote:

> The scenario is like having Bill Gates in bathroom who tells the client
> that all the windows and doors have been made secure. As long as we have
> proprietary operating systems - which can see original documents before
>
[and proprietary applications]

> and after encrypting - the claims of secure communication should remain
> under suspicion.
>
> On 19 November 2014 15:40, Vickram Crishna <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>> On Nov 19, 2014 1:49 PM, "Pirate Praveen" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Today we're excited to publicly announce a partnership with WhatsApp,
>> > the most popular messaging app in the world, to incorporate the
>> > TextSecure protocol into their clients and provide end-to-end encryption
>> > for their users by default.
>>
>> Delighted. The discussion at the end centers around whether some sneaky
>> code can be inserted (or already exists) in the app (proprietary code) that
>> enables the decoded message to be read by some intercept.
>>
>> To my mind, it is probably possible to send off a message via some third
>> party app that can be compared with the same message sent via Whatsapp to
>> verify for any extra baggage. The possibility alone makes the likelihood of
>> such a botcode dim.
>>
>> >
>> > https://whispersystems.org/blog/whatsapp/
>> >
>> > This is really a great news for all privacy advocates. I never thought
>> > this could happen. I suppose they are forced to respond to the public
>> > demand for better privacy.
>>
>> I wish there was such a demand. Most people are blissfully unaware of the
>> potential (in many cases around the world, all too real) risks of
>> communication through digital media. The challenges of unbridled commerce
>> with hawk-dominated democracy in nation after nation means the citizenry
>> really don't know what to expect, but both Wikileaks and Snowden have
>> demonstrated that it's probably not good.
>>
>> Such initiatives need to be applauded. If communication media vendors
>> sense that privacy enhancement is a market need (much like Jobs deciding
>> that x or y feature of iPads was a market need even before launching the
>> product), it is a bold step to protect users even before they wake up. To
>> go further, it becomes the basis for anyone writing code to decide whether
>> she wants to be responsible for some intrusive thing or the other to enter
>> the realm of human intercourse.
>>
>> This could happen as an initiative from employees, employers or
>> independent vendors, even before it appeared as a pushback from the market.
>> Seen in that light, it is always better to meet a demand before it is
>> expressed by walking out the door. The people who today are successful in
>> marketing their communication media goes and services need not be viewed in
>> a negative light, even if they persist in building them on proprietary
>> code. That change will, imho, be a feature or aspect of recognizing human
>> dignity, which we see in many ways, even really super duper paying jobs
>> dispense with oftentimes, never mind the hoi polloi, and not only in the
>> corporate world. The fact is, these vendors have done a good job in
>> connecting people, and need to do a better job in connecting people
>> responsibly.
>>
>> Of course, privacy protection and open code practices may be chicken and
>> egg, but the former builds on grabbing an opportunity, loads of synergy.
>> Slogging against such entrenched forces is more like meeting a threat.
>>
>> Vickram
>>
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