On Thu February 19 2004 4:40 pm, deedee wrote: > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:53:06, Ray Hogaboom wrote: > >On Wed February 18 2004 2:22 pm, deedee wrote: > >> On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:14:47, Ray Hogaboom wrote: > >> >I am a long time MS-Windows user but new to Linux. I have > >> > not been able to find any Application that will run in under > >> > Mandrake Linux 9.2 that will replace the my 2 most important > >> > MS-Window apps. > >> > >> snip Wow deedee The time you spent writing this reply has mad my day much brighter! Thank you so much. > If you have an application that you can't live without and it > won't work under wine, you may be able to interest a developer in > getting it to work. I was able to do so with one legacy > application that I was very anxious to continue using. > > Try joining the wine mailing list at > > http://www.winehq.com/mailman/listinfo/wine-users > > Wine developers hang out there. Also, you may find people there > who have gotten the two applications you want to use to work > under wine.
I will try the above > > >> snip > >Please tell me why I should keep pulling my hair out and banging > > my head against the wall to get Linux to work for me!! > > > > Is Linux Better That MS-Windows? > > > >It sure seams to be a lot more trouble to me. > > For the majority of people, installing Linux from a distribution > like Mandrake, SuSE, or Knoppix is really no more problematic > than installing ms win. In fact, I personally found it to be a > lot easier and faster than installing any ms win release. This > was primarily because I didn't have to also install a bunch of > drivers to get my components and peripherals to work correctly as > I had to under ms win. With Windows XP I have not had any components and peripherals that where not working correctly after installing XP Pro. With Red Hat and Mandrake I have Problems with. wine 2 CD burners = 1 locks up the system the other would not read. 3 cdroms = where not detected I could not find any linux info for these 3 modems = 1 U.S. Robotics 56k Fax modem. 2 = older modems Zip Drive = will not read disks USB Flash Card reader = Some times mounts to /mnt/removable sometimes to /mnt/memory_card USB External Hard Drive = Some times mounts to /mnt/removable sometimes to /mnt/memory_card Sound card worked with Red Hat after setting it up. Have not been able to get it to work With Mandrake. > > I personally know quite a few people using Linux who have never > been on a mailing list or needed to ask a question about how to > get something to work. This is includes people who are rank > newbies with regard to computers. I also know a lot of folks who > use ms win systems, and every single one of them has experienced > some problem or the other with ms win. With Linux after having it on my computer for over a month now I can setup and use email apps, set up DSL internet connections (that was not going to work with Linux according to my ISP tech support.) and use the internet, view videos, use openoffice.org to view and edit spread sheets and word doc's. Use Gimp some what and CYCAS CAD program. I can delete, copy, move, and rename files and folders. Believe it or not but this is more that most people can do with there computers. Most people have never type any kind of command. They send and read email but would be lost if they had to set up an email account or an internet connection manually. They play games, surf the web, Type a document, and maybe do some data entry. > > The only time I had problems with Linux was when I went in > (without knowing what I was doing) and "fixed" things. Almost in > every instance, if I had understood what the issue was, I would > have seen that it was fine at installation, but only needed a > simple adjustment. > > An example was with the sound. I didn't realize that sound > defaulted to muted. To get it, all I needed to do was turn the > volume up. Unfortunately, I didn't go through the troubleshooting > provided by Mandrake first and discover that. If I had, I could > have saved myself a lot of frustration. This may be some of my problem. Where in Linux I need to type in some thing in with all of the right switches. Or edit config files to make it work. In Windows XP it just works there may be problems but most of the time a few clicks of the mouse or install a update fixes the problems. With a windows app download it, click on it to Install, the new progame short cut is there, it works reasonable well. Don't have to do a check sum, after download, edit config file, make directories, move files into the new directories, and make a short cut just to see if it might work. > > This isn't to say that having problems with Linux systems is > unusual. But then, having problems with ms win systems is not > unusual either. Most problems with windows XP are caused by games, firewall software, hackers, Virus, Anti-virus software, and spyware that get installed with other app with out your approval or knowledge. The latest big offender is Nealson rating service, yes the same people that do TV ratings. Install this software you have a chance to win a big screen TV. Then you are wondering why it takes 10 min. to send 1 email, on your brand new fast computer . > > MS certified manufacturers deliberately disable components in > computers as well as install components that are meant to only > work when a release of ms win is installed on the machine. Most > preassembled computers, as well as preassembled components (like > motherboards), are produced by MS certified manufacturers. This > is part of the contract they sign with MS. Yes MS greed is one of the reasons I was hoping Linux work for me. > > An example is the winmodem. Not only do most computers come with > a winmodem preinstalled, but it is hardwired in so that you can't > remove it. This is deliberate to make it as hard as possible for > you to use anything but ms win on your equipment. > > It is amazing to me how well Linux developers have met the > obstacles put in the path of folks who want or need an > alternative to ms win on an IBM PC compatible system. > > I found ms win from my all of my experiences with its various > releases to be much too limited for my uses. There is very little > flexibility if what you need is something it hasn't been set up > to do (or MS doesn't want you to do). It seam I have read the above statement form other Linux user sounds great. But I am yet to find out just what you are doing that i can not do with windows xp other than read files and execute programs made for Linux or Mac's. There is very little flexibility? something? it hasn't been set up to do MS doesn't want you to do? May be some examples would be helpful. > > If you need advanced Linux stuff to work on your systems, like > wine, dosemu, extremely new components, or components that are > not used by a lot of folks, you are likely to have to work at > getting those things to work correctly under Linux. That's the > price of freedom to choose as long as MS gets to dictate what > gets installed in your computer. > I do not have new components, except the 120 Gb USB External Hard Drive. Some components I have tried are getting close to 10 years old. Components that are not used by a lot of folks? Samsung and U.S. Robotics made a hell of a lot of Components > OTOH, if ms win systems are doing exactly what you need and want, > then changing to another system just to have another system may > be more trouble than it's worth. This is especially true if you > turn out to be one of the ones who has problems with Linux. > > deedee > -- > Registered Linux User #327485 > Visit "WordStar & GNU/Linux" > http://www.wordstar2.com > Also, see the WordStar Users Group > http://www.wordstar2.com/cbabbage/wordstar I did not want just another system. I could get a mac if that is what I wanted. My biggest problem with Windows XP is it as become the favorite target for low life scum. They have nothing better to do than write viruses, worms, Trojans, or spybots and use my computer and the computer of others to launch DOS attacks on some web server. My computers would be fast if I did not have to run so much crap like virus protection and firewalls. and did not have to install security updates every week. Reviews I have read about Linux make it sound so good but I some time think I have been miss lead. Linux is secure? But still I have to have a fire wall. I read that there has been only 2 virus that would work in linux. But still I see talk about anti virus software in this email list. And I still need to down load and install security updates. But cant do that until I join the Mandrake club. But do I want to pay for one year of service for something that does not do what I was led to believe it would do. Mandrake club sounds like it might have some good programs. But I could not find any list of apps that would be available if I join. -- Ray Hogaboom
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