On Monday 23 February 2004 03:54 pm, Lee B. wrote:

> >These kinds of comparisons won't win you many friends in this community.
>
> It's the truth. In XP USB and sound just work. 

Linux is not XP.  Linux has strengths that XP does not have.  It is to be 
expected that XP has certain strengths that Linux does not.  Hardware support 
has a lot to do with whether hardware manufacturers release details about 
their interfaces so that OS developers can build proper support.  Belaboring 
the fact that they have not done so is not productive.  Blaming the 
developers for the failings of hardware manufacturers is especially not 
productive.  

There are differences in the two OS's, and most of us are well aware of that 
fact.  There is also much less freedom of choice built into XP.  There are 
certain trade-offs to be made when you choose which one to use.  If you 
choose to use Linux, recognize those trade-offs and learn to deal.  I will be 
happy to try to help you if you decide to invest the effort necessary to find 
a solution to your problem.

Point of fact.  You paid at least $180+ for Windows XP if you bought it new, I 
think that the upgrade version costs $80, if not more.  If you paid the same 
amount to a qualified Linux person, he/she could configure your Linux system 
to do everything that you want to do with it, including USB, etc.  I charge 
people in my area $120 to completely configure the system and offer ongoing 
support, both remote and on-sight for one year.  There are certainly others 
like me, probably in your area.  If you don't want to invest the time, there 
are alternatives.

Linux is "free" in the sense that you can do anything with it that you want to 
do, it is not "free" in the sense that it is the same as XP only having no 
cost.  If you want ease of use and worry free installation, you can get that 
but you have to pay for it.

> You don't have to be a 
> systems engineer to make it work. I would love to see Linux truly win on
> the desktop. Unless and until these type of issues can be resolved that
> just won't happen on a large scale. 

If Linux wins on the desktop, it will be because its strengths outweigh the 
weaknesses.  That and nothing more.  If the only way for Linux to win is to 
become another XP, then what is the point?  We already have XP, we don't need 
to replace it with a clone just to spite Bill.

> I'm sorry if this true comparisons 
> offend you or anyone else here, that was not my intention. 

Well, if your criticism was actually on target, I wouldn't have been half as 
offended.  If you post the same comments as some wintroll, you shouldn't 
expect a reception any warmer than the same would get.  I don't troll the 
windows support forums by posting messages about how Windows isn't as secure 
as Linux and if I did, I would obviously expect a certain type of reaction.  

> Apparently 
> it's OK to take pot shots at Windows for any reason, but pointing out a
> Linux weakness in an effort to help solve the issue, and help Linux
> succeed isn't appreciated. My mistake.

If you have a legitimate point to make about Linux  or a suggestion for 
improvement for Linux, please feel free to take your best shot.  Saying that 
it is not XP, is not a valid point, it is an obvious and belabored one.  
Linux is not XP.  It was not designed to be XP.  It is not supposed to 
replace XP.  Apples are not oranges.  The world is full of differences.  I 
embrace the diversity, perhaps you should give it a try as well.  You might 
discover that the differences between Linux and XP are why you like it.

> Do I need to reload Linux for it to recognize USB?

Once you make the change by adding it to the options line, you need to run 
lilo again to make sure that the change has been added and then restart.

> I don't see any place to turn of "apic" in the bios... Is it called
> something else?

Not that I have ever seen.

> Adding noapic nolapic to lilo didn't help.

You might also try to turn off PNP in the BIOS of the motherboard, that 
sometimes helps.  Also, try to issue the "lsmod" command as root from the 
command line and see if it lists a usbcore module.  If not, you might try 
checking the /etc/modules.conf file to see if you are loading a module for 
usb support.
-- 
Bryan Phinney
Software Test Engineer


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