A div is probably better - it's less intrusive.

Could you please post the code up when you're done? I may wish to use it
sometime (not that I make many sites or anything).

Thanks.

On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:16:34 +0800, "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All very valid points, which is why some action is taken...
> 
> As previously stated, IE is already the prime browser on Mac and windows
> platforms..
> 
> that makes up the far majority of web users..
> 
> web developers are allready peeved at having to cross browser develop.
> 
> if IE gets to 95% saturation, then developers are not going to consider it
> worth
> developing for the others,, and they will all write for M$ IE, then they
> will
> start using IE proprietry tags, whatever they are, move to .net instead of
> JAVA where applicable.
> 
> and we are all screwed because its quiet likely that IE will never
> materalise for Linux until it
> stops becoming a threat to M$, which is very likely never...
> 
> In light of that, I don't think a bit of subtle information is a bad thing..
> 
> I was recently thinking of a small popup window, that has a cookie to make
> sure it only gets put up once, and a timer so that it closes either onBlur
> or times out after 10 or so seconds.
> 
> or a div with the same timer that disappears after 10 seconds.
> 
> wouldn't be that hard, only have to code it for one browser type. :-)
> 
> rgds
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan
> Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2001 3:30 PM
> To: John Hokanson Jr.
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] My personal response to msn.com and Internet
> Explorer.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:32:52 -0800, "John Hokanson Jr."
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > On Monday 29 October 2001 08:25 pm, you wrote:
> > > And I'm saying, he should make sure that it can be viewed
> > > properly. Not cop out with uncertainty.
> > >
> > > I agree with you, except Franki explicitly stated that he fears
> > > unless people are drawn away from MSIE, they might not ever
> > > consider switching to Linux.
> > >
> > > ======================================================
> > >
> > > You missunderstood me again....
> > >
> > > I made that point to indicate that if the web becomes IE only (can
> > > anyone deny that that
> > > is what M$ want?)  people won't have the choice,,, I don't actually
> > > care if people want
> > > to use linux or not... I care that people have the choice to use
> > > whatever they want.
> >
> > What they want, and what they can do are two separate things.
> > Controlling the WORLD wide web would be significantly harder than
> > their attempts to control the OS market. If the US fails to stop them,
> > the European Union, Australia, Asia, and other regions get their
> > crack at them.
> 
> The EU is the only body with the clout to stop MS. While they look like
> being on
> the brink of fining MS billions of dollars for anti-competitive behaviour in
> the
> server market, they are also set to ratify an act which is not unlike the
> DMCA.
> 
> > The Internet will not stand to be controlled by Microsoft. There
> > are too many people running Linux. Macs, Amigas, ect. for this to
> > happen.
> 
> MS essentially control the Macintosh platform. Apple have to do what MS
> wants,
> or MS will stop making Office for the Mac. That would kill them.
> 
> Most other OSs, for all practical purposes, are dead. It's sad but true. The
> latest addition to this list is BeOS, which was recently bought by Palm and
> is
> being neglected.
> 
> Free software represents a real and credible threat to Microsoft's plans.
> When
> the W3C considered RAND licensing earlier this month, the outrage from the
> free
> software community was so strong that they appointed Bruce Perens and the
> FSF's
> Eben Moglen to their board, in an effort to prevent Perens's threat of the
> community forking the standards from taking place.
> 
> > The WORST that will happen is that third party browsers will
> > have to learn how parse Microsoft's proprietary web code.
> > Afterall, Star Office can read Word documents.....
> 
> Do you have any idea how long this has taken? Compatibility is still not
> 100%,
> even after years of painstaking reverse-engineering. Once MS controls web
> standards, they are free to do what they like with it. They will push
> Windows-only technologies like VBScript and ActiveX over JavaScript and
> Java. I
> wouldn't be surprised if they introduce binary code, as they have done in
> the MS
> Word format. They can keep their standards moving, so that by the time they
> are
> reverse-engineered they are already obsolete. Again, the MS Word file format
> is
> a prime example here.
> 
> Try reading this article by Robert X. Cringely:
> 
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html
> 
> Of notable mention is this:
> 
> "According to these programmers, Microsoft wants to replace TCP/IP with a
> proprietary protocol -- a protocol owned by Microsoft -- that it will tout
> as
> being more secure. Actually, the new protocol would likely be TCP/IP with
> some
> of the reserved fields used as pointers to proprietary extensions, quite
> similar
> to Vines IP, if you remember that product from Banyan Systems."
> 
> It may only be a rumour today, but the fact that so many knowledgeable
> people
> actually believe it means that it shouldn't be ignored.
> 
> > In fact, if it weren't for Linux, the government's case against
> > Microsoft might have come sooner....
> 
> The DoJ has been closely watching MS since at least 1993, when they were
> found
> guilty of using stolen code from Digital Research in MS-DOS, and of
> deliberately
> making DR-DOS incompatible with Windows 3.1. GNU/Linux has only become
> prominent
> in the past couple of years, but DoJ-MS relations have been going for far
> longer
> than that. GNU/Linux has absolutely nothing to do with the case, and had no
> bearing whatsoever on it. If it was, then why was MS found to be
> overwhelmingly
> guilty?
> 
> --
> Sridhar Dhanapalan
> 
>       The Information Revolution will be fought on the command line.
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

        "In short, Microsoft is no more able to build secure products
        than England's cricket team is able to withstand the bowling
        of Australia's bowlers."
          -- Leyden, J., "MS firewall is holier than the Pope",
              The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-08-20.

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