On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:09:19 +0200, Philippe wrote:

> > Miark wrote:
> > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:28:06 +1000, Stephen wrote:
> > >
> > >(Aren't you supposed to be sleeping Joe?)
> > 
> > Stephen, Stephen--you're always getting your words mixed up.
> > The correct question is, Shouldn't you have been put to
> > sleep, Joe?    8-D
> > Miark
> 
> this is just about as funny as the hate based evangelism
> infecting the states with violence, sexual repression, new age
> slavery and wars.

I disagree--I think it somewhat funnier. (*)
 
> how come the mandriva lists are a platform for
> people enjoying such inhuman jokes ?

One of the cornerstones of humor is that, although it can, it
often does not reflect reality literally. As such, inhumane
jokes do not necessarily reflect an inhumane joke teller. Jewish
jokes told by Nazis is not funny because you know the humor is
backed by hate. A little self-deprecating humor _among_ Jews,
however, can be taken with a light heart. Jokes don't really
matter in and of themselves. It's the heart behind them that
matters. 

For the record, even though Joe's a liberal whacko, he's makes
me laugh and he contributes valuable advice and news items to
this list. I don't wish Joe were dead.

But even without saying that, the heart behind my jokes (and
perhaps Joe's ;-) has not been hateful. They've been short jabs
peppered with emoticons. The intent should be clear, and those
with a keener sense of humor know I wish Joe no ill. (Well,
perhaps a brief cold.) (*)

> do the current belligerent list "insiders" dominate
> as much as they currently do because they chased away
> those with friendly attitudes ?

Tiny wars will break out on any list, not just Mandriva lists.
Nevertheless, the familiarity of Mandriva insiders with each
other--the joviality, the OT topics, etc.--is precisely what has
kept many people using Mandriva and this list. Other distros
have lists, but we have a warm and open community. More people
appreciate that than not, I think.  

> this seems likely seeing the neglect by the list owner,
> Mandriva, of its user community.

Heated debates come up, as they do and will on any list. They
fact is the either burn themselves out, or get moved to the OT
list. Either way, you can simply choose not to read them. With
that in mind, I know Mandriva has better things to do with its
money than pay a full-time moderator. We have a pretty
successful list, in my opinion, so I think the self-regulation
has been good enough. 

Miark

(*) That was a joke.

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