On Saturday 14 May 2005 00:06, JoeHill wrote:
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:23:17 -0500
>
> Tom disseminated the following:
> > It's all CD's, audio, data, or iso's. BTW, I'm
> > surprised this is news to y'all. Specially those that subscribe
> > to the cooker ML. BUT, there's also been articles about it on
> > Newsforge, /., the Inquirer an others. Months ago.
>
> Okay, so I don't get to read much. I'm too busy causin' trouble
> here ;) I'll try to keep up with this more so I don't end up
> lookin' like a tool.
>
> > AND it's not just cdrecord either, it's any app that needs to
> > make kernel calls that affect security.
>
> So, this could affect things such as gaming as well? ie., 3D
> hardware acceleration?
>
> > It seems this is due to RSBAC and LSB compliance, and not
> > really a distro decision.
>
> Fair enough. It just pains me to see an OS that I've finally
> grown comfortable with pushing on friends and acquaintances take,
> as I see it, a step away from attracting new users. Like someone
> else said here or on Expert, how do I explain to someone I'm
> trying to convert to GNU/Linux that simple things such as burnin'
> a CD are going to get more, not less, tricky.
>
> > [an addition to this reply; the kernel calls that are not
> > allowed as user/cdrecord are (they do not appear as root):
> > .......
> > cdrecord: Operation not permitted. WARNING: Cannot set
> > RR-scheduler cdrecord: Permission denied. WARNING: Cannot set
> > priority using setpriority().
> > cdrecord: WARNING: This causes a high risk for buffer
> > underruns. .......
> > ...and IME, it does. To the point of making a few coasters,
> > even with burnfree. Others have reported even more severe
> > problems. See bugzilla #15955 http://qa.mandriva.com/wiki ]
>
> The Bugzilla link seems to be dead...
>
> > OTOH, it seems ridiculous when Mandriva an other desktop
> > distros know damn well that the majority of their users are
> > tainting their kernel an systems by using nVidia or ATI
> > drivers, installing Flash, j2re and other proprietary bug
> > attractors an security holes. 'Course I'm amused when the same
> > people on the ML's that are so concerned with getting security
> > updates for some obscure risk, turn right around in other
> > threads an give advice about how to install proprietary drivers
> > an apps.
>
> Exactly. I think some people are throwing the baby out with the
> bathwater on this one. Concerns about security are one thing, but
> taking a step backwards in making GNU/Linux 'user friendly' isn't
> going to make anyone more secure, it's going to drive them away.
>
> Anyhow, I'm not tryin' to start a big tussle, I'm just curious to
> see where all this is headed. In the end, I have a feeling
> someone will come up with a solution to this that satisfies both
> sides (ie. security vs. ease of use).
I'm obviously missing something here : My 2005 LE with k3b burns
happily everything I throw at it, including .iso's - and at 18x
speed. As a normal user, not root. No underruns, no coasters.
Better than ever.
Wassup ?
Kaj Haulrich.
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