On Tuesday 17 January 2006 12:40 pm, Ron Hunter-Duvar wrote:

> Well, I'm having no problems receiving mail from anyone, so I don't know
> why a mail to me would have bounced. Yet, I got kicked from the list.

Well, really, you don't know that.  All you know is that no one is telling you 
that they're having trouble getting mail to you.

> Does Sympa distinguish between temporary and "permanent" problems? On
> occasion I've received warning messages from other mail servers that "mail
> could not be delivered within 4 hours; no action is necessary, I'll keep
> trying". I suspect people are being kicked off because of these temporary
> problems.

Beats me, like I said, I haven't mucked with the code and don't know.  But the 
report "mail couldn't be delivered in 4 hours" is a local one from your 
mailer telling you it couldn't reach a mail server, and not a report from the 
remote system's non-responding server.

As for 'temporary' vs. 'permanent' messages: just manage a list of a thousand 
folks for a little while to get an idea of how many ways a server can be 
misconfigured - when there's a standard server.  Then there are the large 
servers who figure that they can stomp all over the standards (f'you, AOL) 
and fail to return anything useful unless it hidden away in some f'in 
attachment.  I really don't think you can trust the bounce message to contain 
any real information, my general rule was to remove anyone who seemed to be 
bouncing most all message being sent.

My suspicion is that the drop happen after a 'messages are being bounced' 
message is sent and the warning message is itself bounced.  But again, I'm 
not going through the code.  Be glad to sent it to someone if they want to 
hog all the fun.
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