On Jun 17, 2006, at 3:42 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:14:44 -0700, Jon Stahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I think it would be very worthwhile for someone with solid packaging
skills to look into whether it is feasible to package up Zope + Plone
for installation via cPanel, Fantastico, Plesk, etc -- these are
control
panel tools that most virtual server providers are now shipping to
make
it easier for newbies to manage their linux servers.
I think this is the wave of the future, but the Plone community
may need
to goose the market a little bit to get there.
Oh, definitely - I just know that ISPs are not too happy about the
Plone memory usage and the comparatively high maintenance cost. But
by all means, there's a lot of good ISPs out there that already
offer this - it just won't get to the level of $5/month PHP
hosting. ;)
I completely agree w/ Alex, Plone should never pitch itself against
PHP. Even Zope, one layer lower in the stack, shouldn't.
Zope is in the application server space, and should be evaluated
against that competition for memory usage, etc. Plone is in the CMS
space, competing against the high end of the mid-tier (Percussion,
RedDot, etc.). We have to be careful to not get pulled into a
different market with a different scorecard, IMO.
There are those that might argue that, like it or not, PHP is in the
application server and/or CMS space. And there are justifications
for that argument. But at some point, Plone has to draw a line in
the sand and say: "That's our target." And we can't engineer down to
PHP and up to, say, Stellent at the same time.
I humbly suggest that this list steer its signal-to-noise ratio away
from generic Plone discussions, towards NGOs and how we can get them
engaged. There's a lot of good stuff to talk about there, such as
ideas from Ploneability. I want to make sure we don't scare off the
original non-technical audience that was looking for a place to
organize and cooperate.
--Paul
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