Dennis:

Seems to be running pretty good. Yes! "I want it to go better yet ?"

What little trick do you still have to share??

Glen





On Mar 29, 8:46 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
> Funny how that works.... Now do you want it to go better yet ?
>
> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air filter
> To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" <[email protected]>
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:17 PM
>
> Eurika!!
>
> I reread the K&N instructions and realised I needed to put snorkel
> back on and I was running it without it.  It runs fine with the
> Snorkel back on!!!
>
> THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP!!!  I learned a lot in the process!!!
>
> On Mar 29, 3:49 pm, Snookfever <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I did not find anything in the slow jets. I did find some particles in
> > the bowls. However when looking through them the oppening did not
> > appear to be perfectly round. Could be optical illusion. I did have to
> > work the wire a few times before it would go back and forth easily. I
> > did not inspect the mains.  No poping just bogged down when you turned
> > throttel above 3-4k. The K&N is cone shaped.  The K&N
> instructions
> > call for the removal of the snorkel and to flip the lid and bolt it
> > down. That is what I did. Are you saying leave snokel and mount lid as
> > factory?
>
> > With the wired slow jets it takes off without hesitation now.  THANKS!
>
> > When I first start it and warm it up it seems to respond to throttle
> > better and smoother with a little choke. No choke it will pop and
> > break up a bit at the top 7-8K when you snap the throttle.
>
> > Thanks for the help we are making improvements.
>
> > Raining today so cant ride, will try a little choke and  check back as
> > soon as I can.
>
> > Thanks for all your help
>
> > On Mar 28, 12:07 am, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Find anything in the slow jets ? How about the brass tubes above the
>
> mains ? At 3~4K you start to depend on the next circuits to supply fuel. Since
> these have enricheners and not chokes, you can add some choke to make it run
> richer. Now if that helps, increase the main jets to 120. You don't specify
> if the stumble is just that or it is popping. ?? A pop is a good indication of
> lean. If it truly is that lean, you could'nt get it to go above 5k at all.
> Getting it up there slowly means to me (IMHO) that the air speed is too slow 
> to
> pick off fuel. That's where the choke addition comes in. If that makes it
> worse, let me know. A high air flow filter actually causes a slowing of the
> flow. Untill they repeal the laws of physics (Obama just might) high speed air
> works best. You do have the lid on the air box ? With the snorkle ? I hope 
> so. A
> complete air box is vital.> > One more thing, is this K&N cone shaped ?
>
> > > --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Snookfever <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air
> filter
> > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"
>
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 12:56 PM
>
> > > Ok, I wired the slow jets,put the K&N air filter in. I found some
> > > particles in the bottom of the carbs so I added an in line fuel
> > > filter.
>
> > > It ran fine at idle. Take off was ok. When you open the throttle from
> > > 3k to 4K it sputtered, could not get to 5 K and beyond without very
> > > gradual throttle turn.
>
> > > Plug Test:
>
> > > Cleaned number 1 and 4 plug and replaced.  Both were brown on one
> side
> > > and white on the other
>
> > > Pulled plugs after 1 mile ride and no real color change from cleaned
> > > look.
>
> > > What now?
>
> > > Glen
>
> > > On Mar 22, 6:38 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]>
>
> wrote:> If you can't pass a wire through it, it isn't clean.
> That's
>
> > > what I mean. The wire size is .0011" for a #35 slow jet. I
> don't care
> > > if you can blow through it, see through it,etc. If a .0011" wire
> > > doesn't pass through it, NG.> If you want it to work with a
>
> K&N, test that way.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Snookfever <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N Air
> filter
> > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"
>
> > > <[email protected]>> Date: Sunday, March 22,
> 2009, 2:19 AM
>
> > > > What do you mean by did I wire out the slow jet?  I soked them
> in
> > > > acetone and blew them out with compressed air. I pulled  number
> 4 plug
> > > > it was light tan on the insulation with some black on the
> threads.
> > > > Should I run the plug test with the stock filter or the K&N?
>
> > > > On Mar 21, 3:03 pm, Dennis Hammerl <[email protected]>
> wrote:>
>
> > > Did you wire out the slow jet ? And yes, I have a method of enriching
> a
>
> > > > K&N filter. I have one in one of my 700s and it required no
> changes
> > > but I
> > > > did a neat stunt and gave it more bottom end. My 700s pulls hard
> from 2K
> > > up.
> > > > Made huge difference for me. I granny around a lot and spend too
> much time
> > > in
> > > > traffic. Less shifting now. To understand it, you need to grasp
> air flow
> > > > dynamics. The British did some good research on it back in the
> 50's.
> > > Get it
> > > > to work right first.
>
> > > > > --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Snookfever
>
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s K&N
> Air
> > > filter
> > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"
>
> > > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 9:57 AM
>
> > > > > I am very meticulous so I completely tore down the carbs
> and cleaned
> > > > > evey single part individually including pilot, needle,main
> jets,
> > > > > choke, every part.  I was careful to put the same part
> back in the
> > > > > same carbs.  I also disasembled and cleaned the petcock
> and screen.
> > > I
> > > > > blew every part dry with compressed air, I replaced O-rings
> and
> > > > > reasembled. The factory air filter is relatively new.
>
> > > > > I installed the K&N as instructed and removed the
> snorkel flipped
> > > the
> > > > > lid and installed. With the factory air box it idles
> perfect, but
> > > does
> > > > > hesitate just a little at take off.  I will perform the
> spark plug
> > > > > check and get back to you, but when I pulled one they were
> lite
> > > > > colored. Looks like she is running a little lean.  If that
> is the
> > > case
> > > > > what do you do to enrich?
>
> > > > > Thanks for the help
>
> > > > > On Mar 20, 12:55 am, Dennis Hammerl
>
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > > wrote:>
>
> > > > Above 5k it runs mostly on the mains. I expected you to say
> right off idle
>
> > > > > when pulling out. If you really cleaned the carbs, how
> ?> Now to
> > > do a
>
> > > > defined search for your problem. Ride the bike at the problem
>
> > > > > RPM for several minutes.put up with all it's actions.
> Ride it for
> > > at
> > > > least a
> > > > > half mile that way. Pull the clutch and shut it down with
> the kill
> > > switch.
> > > > Pull
> > > > > over and remove some plugs. White ? brown ?, black ?>
> Take a
> > > picture
>
> > > > and forward. A plug reading, done right will indicate the
>
> > > > > nature of the problem.> From what you tell me about the
> tank rust
>
> > > > problem, I suspect the supply is
>
> > > > > poor to the carbs. The original air filter (especially if
> it was
> > > somewhat
> > > > dirty)
> > > > > would be a compliment to a poor delivery system. The
> K&N, passing
> > > more
> > > > air,
> > > > > would not. In other words.. lean, white plugs. Main jets
> are not
> > > likely to
> > > > ever
> > > > > clog, but with an inadequate fuel supply the condition you
> describe
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > expected.> One last point for this post, are you
> installing the
> > > K&N
> > > > with the
>
> > > > > air-box lid ? Very tempting to do. It sounds neat, but runs
> poorly. 
>
> > > > > > --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Snookfever
>
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: 1984 Nighthawk 700s
> K&N Air
> > > > filter
> > > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"
>
> > > > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 1:13 AM
>
> > > > > > Dennis,
>
> > > > > > Withe the K&N It is not responsive,bogs down when
> > > accelerating.
> > > >  I do
> > > > > > not remember the exact RPM range, but I think above 5K
> so maybe
> > > > > > midrange.  I discovered rust in the fuel tank (fuel
> on pant
> > > leg) a
> > > > few
> > > > > > week after I got the bike.  The carbs looked like
> they were
> > > painted
> > > > > > red with the rust particles.  I redid the tank with
> KBS
> > > coatings and
> > > > > > did a complete carb breakdown and cleaning and the
> carbs looked
> > > > great.
> > > > > > I sinked the butterflies manually with the stem of a
> micrometer
> > > and
> > > > it
> > > > > > ran great.
>
> > > > > > With the OEM filter It does take a few minutes to warm
> up or it
> > > will
> > > > > > want to die at take off. I have a shop manual and
> reset the
> > > pilots
> > > > the
> > > > > > same number of turn as they were set from the factory.
>
> > > > > > On Mar 19, 12:27 am, Dennis Hammerl
>
> <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > > > wrote:>
>
> > > > > If you can describe what crap runs like, maybe I can help.
> By
> > > themselves,
>
> > > > > > K&N filters do not affect anything. Great
> replacements
> > > (sorry
> > > > Stanley)
> > > > > > Installed properly, they require no rejetting. Mine
> works fine.
>
> > > > > > > --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Snookfever
>
> > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > From: Snookfever <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] 1984 Nighthawk 700s
> K&N Air
> > > > filter
> > > > > > > To: "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!"
>
> > > > > > <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > > > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 11:14 PM
>
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