The aprilia sr50 runs about 3k new... and imho worth every penny.. just avoid anything chinese unless it has a gy6 clone engine (150cc) New they run about $1500, used with needing some work anywhere from free to $800. They dont get the mpg that the 50s do. But much better power. On Jun 30, 2014 5:05 PM, "Javier Garcia" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Doing 100mph on that little scooter has to be the most terrifying thing > ever. Living now in Cambridge I have been thinking seriously in getting a > scooter. My daily commute is only 2 miles, which makes me feel almost > ridiculous suiting up in firing one of the big boys. But evert scooter I > see is quite expensive... I might end up just getting a bicycle. > > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 4:22 PM, paul annen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> My little 49cc 2 stroke liquid cooled ditech 45-50mph while still getting >> 75mpg with me ri ding at 300 pounds piece of aprilia suck... lol >> >> And for less then $800 in parts (27mm carb, performance exaust, new >> weights and springs, 80cc big bore kit) the factory claims (and YouTube >> verified) 102mph! (Around $300 and only 80mph if you keep the 50cc) >> >> She is my daily commuter and I only have to fill her tank once every 3 >> weeks... >> >> Yes there are days when I want more top end, but thats when I.take the >> goldwing! >> On Jun 30, 2014 4:06 PM, "Kurt Nolte" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Yeeeeeeeeeees. Though I'll have mine in RWB please. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> IMG_0308.jpg >>>> <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_wugBxirhqrcVUtS0ctNDJRSVE/edit?usp=drive_web> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Coincidence... same here! Especially V4 motorcycles, because then >>>>> there is no suck. >>>>> >>>>> -Kurt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That is why I ride motorcycles! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You can, but then they start to suck in the bottom end. Scooter CVT >>>>>>> tuning is about moving the suck around until you can live with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Kurt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You do know you can change the weights and pully sizes in a CV to >>>>>>>> tune it for more top end? A buddy of mine has built some pretty radical >>>>>>>> scooters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Kurt Nolte < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Increased sure, but perhaps not greatly. There's only so much 12hp >>>>>>>>> can do, and the gearing in a small scooter CVT SUCKS for speed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do admit that jumping to 400 was probably a bit of a stretch. I >>>>>>>>> pulled that number out as the next readily available scooter size I >>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> think of. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Kurt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 400CC Seriously?? A Ninja 250 can do 90 stock. In an super >>>>>>>>>> aerodynamic shell, top speed would be greatly increased. They use >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> design in electrothons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Kurt Nolte < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Considering the average 150cc scooter mill will barely do >>>>>>>>>>> highway speeds with a scooter, probably not Allen. Maybe a 400cc >>>>>>>>>>> scooter >>>>>>>>>>> engine. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Kurt >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think something like this with a 150CC scooter motor/swingarm >>>>>>>>>>>> setup could easily do 100 MPG and probably do highway speeds. I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> like to >>>>>>>>>>>> make one that has leaning steering as a prototype then race it at >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> track. Then eventually build a larger one, maybe a tandem using a >>>>>>>>>>>> GL1500 engine/swingarm due to the reverse gear. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blueskydsn.com/kit_aero.html >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Kurt Nolte < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wait, WHAT? 51/48 (Prius) mileage figures versus 25/35 (Camry) >>>>>>>>>>>>> mileage figures don't justify a $3k price difference? Not even >>>>>>>>>>>>> full $3k if >>>>>>>>>>>>> you're comparing base to base, closer to $2k. Even in the top >>>>>>>>>>>>> trims you're >>>>>>>>>>>>> paying only $5k more for the Prius versus a standard Camry and >>>>>>>>>>>>> $1.5k more >>>>>>>>>>>>> versus a top trim Camry Hybrid (40/38, demonstrating the benefits >>>>>>>>>>>>> of that >>>>>>>>>>>>> Kammback apples to apples). A base Camry hybrid (43/39) actually >>>>>>>>>>>>> costs $2k >>>>>>>>>>>>> MORE than a base Prius. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're also forgetting that Civic hybrids don't provide as >>>>>>>>>>>>> much of a mileage lift(44/47 vs 30/39, so a 50%/20% increase), >>>>>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>>>>> perennial underperformers in the mileage department (because of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> difference between IMA and Synergy), and command a significant >>>>>>>>>>>>> price >>>>>>>>>>>>> premium (+$6k, or +33%) over a standard Civic. This is versus the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prius/Camry values of +104%/+37% for a +8% price bump. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, Toyota wanted something unique to market a new idea. Yes, >>>>>>>>>>>>> marketing got on board and pushed HARD. But the basic shape of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Prius >>>>>>>>>>>>> was selected as a blend between aerodynamic performance and >>>>>>>>>>>>> usable cargo >>>>>>>>>>>>> space. And of course it is a perennial complaint of engineers that >>>>>>>>>>>>> accountants and marketing designers took their great ideas and >>>>>>>>>>>>> ruined them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> But the core design of the Prius is still a solidly workable >>>>>>>>>>>>> balance >>>>>>>>>>>>> between aero and ergo, and it has retained its excellent mileage >>>>>>>>>>>>> figures >>>>>>>>>>>>> despite getting heavier, more powerful and more tricked out with >>>>>>>>>>>>> each >>>>>>>>>>>>> generation. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I like rooting for an underdog, but not one that's knowingly >>>>>>>>>>>>> bullshitting me and we both know it. I'd readily believe >>>>>>>>>>>>> 40-50mpg, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>> aero just isn't there on the three wheeler to make 80 realistic. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially >>>>>>>>>>>>> not with an engine that's probably a generation out of date >>>>>>>>>>>>> without all the >>>>>>>>>>>>> trick goodies rolling out with the modern fuel sippers (DI, Forced >>>>>>>>>>>>> induction, high compression, etc). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kurt >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not saying that the car isn't aerodynamic, I just don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that it was the primary driver of the styling. #1 was to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unique so that buyers could signal their concern for energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservation to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other drivers. Look at the Honda Civic hybrid, cars sitting on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lots that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody wanted, meanwhile there was a waiting list for the Prius. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because the civic hybrid looked like every other civic on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> road and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't look hybridy enough. I think the marketing and accounting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> depts held >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the engineering dept back on the Prius or it would have, should >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieved much better numbers. As it is the Prius doesn't get >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mileage than the Camry to justify the cost difference. I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to say is that I'm disappointed that the Prius didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all of Toyota's resources behind it. In that one aspect the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elio has a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better chance because it's a smaller company willing to take >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bigger risks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with its image. I agree that 84mpg is a hell of a long shot but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we all like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to root for the underdog, right? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kyle, if the aerodynamics were done for aethetics then why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do all hybrids, and most new vehicles have the basic shape, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K-back or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kammback design? Remember the Prius was the first mass produced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hybrid and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Honda that came out shortly thereafter looked almost >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identical. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supposedly its Cg is .26. Also the Honda Insight had a 1 Liter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motor and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could only get MPG into the high 60s. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Kyle Munz < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Prius is constrained by being a 4door sedan, plus it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weighs tons more. I'm also not convinced that the engineers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were tasked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with making the most efficient vehicle, but rather a vehicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that seemed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fuel efficient than the competition and stood out with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unique styling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that their drivers could appear to be part of *the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution* rather than *the problem*. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Kyle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If a Prius can't get any where near 80 mpg then I doubt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this will. 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