You do know you can change the weights and pully sizes in a CV to tune it for more top end? A buddy of mine has built some pretty radical scooters.
On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: > Increased sure, but perhaps not greatly. There's only so much 12hp can do, > and the gearing in a small scooter CVT SUCKS for speed. > > I do admit that jumping to 400 was probably a bit of a stretch. I pulled > that number out as the next readily available scooter size I could think of. > > -Kurt > > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> 400CC Seriously?? A Ninja 250 can do 90 stock. In an super aerodynamic >> shell, top speed would be greatly increased. They use that design in >> electrothons. >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Considering the average 150cc scooter mill will barely do highway speeds >>> with a scooter, probably not Allen. Maybe a 400cc scooter engine. >>> >>> -Kurt >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I think something like this with a 150CC scooter motor/swingarm setup >>>> could easily do 100 MPG and probably do highway speeds. I'd like to make >>>> one that has leaning steering as a prototype then race it at the >>>> track. Then eventually build a larger one, maybe a tandem using a >>>> GL1500 engine/swingarm due to the reverse gear. >>>> >>>> http://www.blueskydsn.com/kit_aero.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wait, WHAT? 51/48 (Prius) mileage figures versus 25/35 (Camry) mileage >>>>> figures don't justify a $3k price difference? Not even full $3k if you're >>>>> comparing base to base, closer to $2k. Even in the top trims you're paying >>>>> only $5k more for the Prius versus a standard Camry and $1.5k more versus >>>>> a >>>>> top trim Camry Hybrid (40/38, demonstrating the benefits of that Kammback >>>>> apples to apples). A base Camry hybrid (43/39) actually costs $2k MORE >>>>> than >>>>> a base Prius. >>>>> >>>>> You're also forgetting that Civic hybrids don't provide as much of a >>>>> mileage lift(44/47 vs 30/39, so a 50%/20% increase), they are perennial >>>>> underperformers in the mileage department (because of the difference >>>>> between IMA and Synergy), and command a significant price premium (+$6k, >>>>> or >>>>> +33%) over a standard Civic. This is versus the Prius/Camry values of >>>>> +104%/+37% for a +8% price bump. >>>>> >>>>> Yes, Toyota wanted something unique to market a new idea. Yes, >>>>> marketing got on board and pushed HARD. But the basic shape of the Prius >>>>> was selected as a blend between aerodynamic performance and usable cargo >>>>> space. And of course it is a perennial complaint of engineers that >>>>> accountants and marketing designers took their great ideas and ruined >>>>> them. >>>>> But the core design of the Prius is still a solidly workable balance >>>>> between aero and ergo, and it has retained its excellent mileage figures >>>>> despite getting heavier, more powerful and more tricked out with each >>>>> generation. >>>>> >>>>> I like rooting for an underdog, but not one that's knowingly >>>>> bullshitting me and we both know it. I'd readily believe 40-50mpg, but the >>>>> aero just isn't there on the three wheeler to make 80 realistic. >>>>> Especially >>>>> not with an engine that's probably a generation out of date without all >>>>> the >>>>> trick goodies rolling out with the modern fuel sippers (DI, Forced >>>>> induction, high compression, etc). >>>>> >>>>> -Kurt >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm not saying that the car isn't aerodynamic, I just don't think >>>>>> that it was the primary driver of the styling. #1 was to make it unique >>>>>> so >>>>>> that buyers could signal their concern for energy conservation to other >>>>>> drivers. Look at the Honda Civic hybrid, cars sitting on lots that nobody >>>>>> wanted, meanwhile there was a waiting list for the Prius. Why? Because >>>>>> the >>>>>> civic hybrid looked like every other civic on the road and didn't look >>>>>> hybridy enough. I think the marketing and accounting depts held the >>>>>> engineering dept back on the Prius or it would have, should have, >>>>>> achieved >>>>>> much better numbers. As it is the Prius doesn't get enough better mileage >>>>>> than the Camry to justify the cost difference. I guess what I'm trying to >>>>>> say is that I'm disappointed that the Prius didn't achieve better with >>>>>> all >>>>>> of Toyota's resources behind it. In that one aspect the Elio has a better >>>>>> chance because it's a smaller company willing to take bigger risks with >>>>>> its >>>>>> image. I agree that 84mpg is a hell of a long shot but we all like to >>>>>> root >>>>>> for the underdog, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -Kyle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Allen Thomas <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kyle, if the aerodynamics were done for aethetics then why do all >>>>>>> hybrids, and most new vehicles have the basic shape, K-back or kammback >>>>>>> design? Remember the Prius was the first mass produced Hybrid and the >>>>>>> Honda >>>>>>> that came out shortly thereafter looked almost identical. Supposedly >>>>>>> its Cg >>>>>>> is .26. Also the Honda Insight had a 1 Liter motor and could only get >>>>>>> MPG >>>>>>> into the high 60s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Kyle Munz <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Prius is constrained by being a 4door sedan, plus it weighs >>>>>>>> tons more. I'm also not convinced that the engineers were tasked with >>>>>>>> making the most efficient vehicle, but rather a vehicle that seemed >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> fuel efficient than the competition and stood out with unique styling >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> that their drivers could appear to be part of *the solution* >>>>>>>> rather than *the problem*. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Kyle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Allen Thomas < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If a Prius can't get any where near 80 mpg then I doubt this will. >>>>>>>>> I have to think Toyota has a wind tunnel and highly experienced >>>>>>>>> engineers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Allen Thomas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post 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