Hi,

Experimental studies (rather than just opinion) can be found here:

1. Zhang L, Beal SL, Sheiner LB. Simultaneous vs. sequential analysis for population PK/PD data I: best-case performance. J Pharmacokinet Pharmacodyn. 2003;30(6):387-404. 2. Zhang L, Beal SL, Sheiner LB. Simultaneous vs. sequential analysis for population PK/PD data II: robustness of methods. J Pharmacokinet Pharmacodyn. 2003;30(6):405-16. 3. Proost JH, Schiere S, Eleveld DJ, Wierda JM. Simultaneous versus sequential pharmacokinetic-pharmacodynamic population analysis using an iterative two-stage Bayesian technique. Biopharm Drug Dispos. 2007;28(8):455-73.

My interpretation of these studies is that one should use a sequential approach to build the model then try a simultaneous fit. If the PK part of the model changes 'importantly' (subjective decision) with the simultaneous fit then this can be a clue to model misspecification in the link between the PK and PD parts of the model (see second paper by Zhang et al).

Nick


Hussein, Ziad wrote:
Hi Alan,

I just had a very recent experience few weeks ago for a sequential PopPK
for parent and metabolite that was submitted to the FDA and they came
back and asked for simultaneous modelling.

Whether this is scientific or not the FDA view should be taken into
consideration.

Kind regards,
Ziad

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Subject: [NMusers] Simultaneous vs sequential for modeling parent AND
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Dear All,

I know this is an old topic but would like to see the statistics.
When you have to develop a pop PK model for both parent and active
metabolites, which approach do you prefer or have you used most:
simultaneous or sequential? Which way do you think is more scientific? I
heard comments saying that the simultaneous approach is not scientific.

Thanks,

Alan
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