Re: [nodejs] Re: Giving up on node.js / Flatiron / hook.io

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I'm just a newbie here, don't know anyone. But perhaps people who contributed substantially to the project deserve a bit of respect in general, more so if they're bright and talented. (I'm not, wish I were). Not some of the  comments when things go wrong. Companies have no heart and are not supposed to have one by definition, stuff like this happens when agendas clash. And Open Source can be double edged sometimes? Wish you best of luck, set out on your own, in a year you laugh about the whole thing. Tested!  On 13/09/12 17:57, Marak Squires wrote: I have no idea who you are Nathan. We've never worked on anything together before and we don't know each other. I'm not sure why you feel compelled to join this conversation and make judgements. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Nathan White <changereal...@gmail.com> wrote: Marak, For the record I think your a pretty cool guy I just don't agree with your actions. You have let your ego distort the lens of  reality. I, like yourself am very much a risk taker. With risks there are successes and failures. Look forward not backwards. It is admiral to inform the community about your changing involvement on projects. This has been the guise of this thread but not the true motive. People have asked if you will transfer ownership, with no response. There is a reason github made this a core feature. We all thank you for your involvement and wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.  Visions, strategies and goals change at companies all the time, especially startups. It is obvious that your not in alignment with your previous employer. Remember there are many other people involved in building companies. Teams need unity not discord. Companies must remove barriers to unity, sometimes it people. It's not about who is right or wrong, it just is.  Move on. Put your talents to use, you should have no problem finding a paycheck. The self loathing will get you nowhere. On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Marak Squires <marak.squi...@gmail.com> wrote: Nathan - My intention was to inform the community I would no longer be maintaining a lot of projects that many developers communicate with me about on a semi-frequent basis. The alternative would have been to silently stop supporting these projects ( disappear ) without any notice or explanation.  - Marak On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Nathan White <changereal...@gmail.com> wrote: I usually refrain from this bs but when people start asking for explanations about such absurdities I find it very hard to refrain. Marak's behavior is childish and deserves no explaination. The way he brought this shit to the forum should signal why he was fired. None of these issues should take away from all the other talented members of nodejitsu. It doesn't matter if Marak is right, to handle an issue like this in a public forum is inexcusable.  On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Adam Crabtree <atcrabt...@gmail.com> wrote: When a leader departs from a community like this, a reasonable explanation helps answer the most basic questions that are on everyone's minds, while setting expectations of privacy in what they chose not to share. We should respect that and appreciate Marak's willingness to share personal details for the sake of greater clarity. Dramatic or not, none of us knows unless we know the whole story, which Marak chose not to share. Consider reaching out to Marak privately to encourage him in what is obviously a less than ideal situation. Otherwise, let's do as Mikeal suggests. Cheers, Adam Crabtree On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Micheil Smith <mich...@brandedcode.com> wrote: Really, that was just me getting a wee bit annoyed at the idea of the whole dramatisation here. If a company fires you, they either had a reason to, or, you have a lawsuit you can probably press, if you really want to. No need to make a big noise about it and try to paint them out as evil or wrong or whatever, it's fine though if someone asks that you're honest about it, but do we really need to discussion or even here about Marak's firing on the Node.js mailing list? As far as I'm concerned, not really, no. – Micheil On 12/09/2012, at 6:43 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: > It is beyond foolish to speculate about why someone was fired from an announcement like this. > > I suggest you ask Marak or someone else at nodejitsu you know personally why this happened if you find it necessary to gossip. > > -Mikeal > > On Sep 12, 2012, at September 12, 201210:41 AM, Micheil Smith <mich...@brandedcode.com> wrote: > >> Wasn't wanting to add into this, but reading between the lines it reads as if there >> was a conflict of interest, Marak was developing something open-source that was >> seen as a potential competitor to the closed-source product he was being paid to >> work on. >> >> Which, if he wished to not stop work on that potential competitor, then sure, sounds >> fine to dismiss him from the position he held at the company. >> >> And then, all that aside, I can understand being angry at a company, but the tone >> of that email was way off. Sure, if people ask you directly as to why, you can say >> something to them about it, but no need to make a massive show out of it. >> >> – Micheil >> >> On 12/09/2012, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Barczewski wrote: >> >>> Yes, it would be beneficial for both sides to communicate a summary of what transpired to get to this point, rather than leaving this nebulous cloud over everything. >>> >>> >>> Marak, have you looked into those companies that were trying to hire Node developers? (If moving is an option, then NodeUp sponsors like Clock and Bislr are a few that come to mind) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:43:15 UTC-5, Zeus wrote: >>> So what was Nodejitsu's reasoning in all this? 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