I don't think Marak was attempting to do anything other than inform the community he was stepping down. It got emotional, sure, but you can't blame him for that.
Sometimes its hard to contain your emotion in these situations, because you have a lot invested in it. Sometimes, your entire body and soul. I think we all know MS had a lot invested in this. I don't think you should be criticizing people for that, for not being automata in always in service of corporations and business - first and foremost because this is an open source community which contains enthusiasts and freelancers as well. I also don't think that, when someone has just recently been let go, that you should be ex I *certainly* don't think you should be saying something along the lines "should signal why someone was fired." Really? *Wow*. In situations like this, startups always have the option to get out in front of the situation and announce that a major member is leaving. This has happened at every single start up I have worked for. They should have done that, and they didn't. The reason why they should do it is precisely this, to avoid having to have the person severed explain - potentially emotionally - to the rest of the community why they will no longer be participating in projects that are beyond the scope of a company's NDA. This is what happens when they don't. I respect everyone over there at NJ, but that was a misstep. If you have scathing words, keep them to yourself. The only thing you did was damage the espirit de corps of this community. On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Nathan White <[email protected]>wrote: > Marak, > > For the record I think your a pretty cool guy I just don't agree with your > actions. You have let your ego distort the lens of reality. I, like > yourself am very much a risk taker. With risks there are successes and > failures. Look forward not backwards. > > It is admiral to inform the community about your changing involvement on > projects. This has been the guise of this thread but not the true motive. > People have asked if you will transfer ownership, with no response. There > is a reason github made this a core feature. We all thank you for your > involvement and wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. > > Visions, strategies and goals change at companies all the time, especially > startups. It is obvious that your not in alignment with your previous > employer. Remember there are many other people involved in building > companies. Teams need unity not discord. Companies must remove barriers to > unity, sometimes it people. It's not about who is right or wrong, it just > is. > > Move on. Put your talents to use, you should have no problem finding a > paycheck. The self loathing will get you nowhere. > > > > On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Marak Squires <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Nathan - > > My intention was to inform the community I would no longer be maintaining > a lot of projects that many developers communicate with me about on a > semi-frequent basis. > > The alternative would have been to silently stop supporting these projects > ( disappear ) without any notice or explanation. > > > - Marak > > > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Nathan White <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I usually refrain from this bs but when people start asking for >> explanations about such absurdities I find it very hard to refrain. >> >> Marak's behavior is childish and deserves no explaination. The way he >> brought this shit to the forum should signal why he was fired. None of >> these issues should take away from all the other talented members of >> nodejitsu. It doesn't matter if Marak is right, to handle an issue like >> this in a public forum is inexcusable. >> >> >> On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Adam Crabtree <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> When a leader departs from a community like this, a reasonable >> explanation helps answer the most basic questions that are on everyone's >> minds, while setting expectations of privacy in what they chose not to >> share. We should respect that and appreciate Marak's willingness to share >> personal details for the sake of greater clarity. Dramatic or not, none of >> us knows unless we know the whole story, which Marak chose not to share. >> >> Consider reaching out to Marak privately to encourage him in what is >> obviously a less than ideal situation. >> >> Otherwise, let's do as Mikeal suggests. >> >> Cheers, >> Adam Crabtree >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Micheil Smith >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Really, that was just me getting a wee bit annoyed at the idea of the >>> whole dramatisation >>> here. If a company fires you, they either had a reason to, or, you have >>> a lawsuit you can >>> probably press, if you really want to. >>> >>> No need to make a big noise about it and try to paint them out as evil >>> or wrong or whatever, >>> it's fine though if someone asks that you're honest about it, but do we >>> really need to >>> discussion or even here about Marak's firing on the Node.js mailing >>> list? As far as I'm >>> concerned, not really, no. >>> >>> – Micheil >>> >>> >>> On 12/09/2012, at 6:43 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: >>> >>> > It is beyond foolish to speculate about why someone was fired from an >>> announcement like this. >>> > >>> > I suggest you ask Marak or someone else at nodejitsu you know >>> personally why this happened if you find it necessary to gossip. >>> > >>> > -Mikeal >>> > >>> > On Sep 12, 2012, at September 12, 201210:41 AM, Micheil Smith < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Wasn't wanting to add into this, but reading between the lines it >>> reads as if there >>> >> was a conflict of interest, Marak was developing something >>> open-source that was >>> >> seen as a potential competitor to the closed-source product he was >>> being paid to >>> >> work on. >>> >> >>> >> Which, if he wished to not stop work on that potential competitor, >>> then sure, sounds >>> >> fine to dismiss him from the position he held at the company. >>> >> >>> >> And then, all that aside, I can understand being angry at a company, >>> but the tone >>> >> of that email was way off. Sure, if people ask you directly as to >>> why, you can say >>> >> something to them about it, but no need to make a massive show out of >>> it. >>> >> >>> >> – Micheil >>> >> >>> >> On 12/09/2012, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Barczewski wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Yes, it would be beneficial for both sides to communicate a summary >>> of what transpired to get to this point, rather than leaving this nebulous >>> cloud over everything. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Marak, have you looked into those companies that were trying to hire >>> Node developers? (If moving is an option, then NodeUp sponsors like Clock >>> and Bislr are a few that come to mind) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:43:15 UTC-5, Zeus wrote: >>> >>> So what was Nodejitsu's reasoning in all this? 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