*explaining why someone was potentially let go when you don't know the situation yourself.
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Stewart Mckinney <[email protected]>wrote: > I don't think Marak was attempting to do anything other than inform the > community he was stepping down. It got emotional, sure, but you can't blame > him for that. > > Sometimes its hard to contain your emotion in these situations, because > you have a lot invested in it. Sometimes, your entire body and soul. I > think we all know MS had a lot invested in this. > > I don't think you should be criticizing people for that, for not being > automata in always in service of corporations and business - first and > foremost because this is an open source community which contains > enthusiasts and freelancers as well. I also don't think that, when someone > has just recently been let go, that you should be ex I *certainly* don't > think you should be saying something along the lines "should signal why > someone was fired." Really? *Wow*. > > In situations like this, startups always have the option to get out in > front of the situation and announce that a major member is leaving. This > has happened at every single start up I have worked for. They should have > done that, and they didn't. The reason why they should do it is precisely > this, to avoid having to have the person severed explain - potentially > emotionally - to the rest of the community why they will no longer be > participating in projects that are beyond the scope of a company's NDA. > This is what happens when they don't. I respect everyone over there at NJ, > but that was a misstep. > > If you have scathing words, keep them to yourself. The only thing you did > was damage the espirit de corps of this community. > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Nathan White <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Marak, >> >> For the record I think your a pretty cool guy I just don't agree with >> your actions. You have let your ego distort the lens of reality. I, like >> yourself am very much a risk taker. With risks there are successes and >> failures. Look forward not backwards. >> >> It is admiral to inform the community about your changing involvement on >> projects. This has been the guise of this thread but not the true motive. >> People have asked if you will transfer ownership, with no response. There >> is a reason github made this a core feature. We all thank you for your >> involvement and wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors. >> >> Visions, strategies and goals change at companies all the time, >> especially startups. It is obvious that your not in alignment with your >> previous employer. Remember there are many other people involved in >> building companies. Teams need unity not discord. Companies must remove >> barriers to unity, sometimes it people. It's not about who is right or >> wrong, it just is. >> >> Move on. Put your talents to use, you should have no problem finding a >> paycheck. The self loathing will get you nowhere. >> >> >> >> On Sep 13, 2012, at 12:03 AM, Marak Squires <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Nathan - >> >> My intention was to inform the community I would no longer be maintaining >> a lot of projects that many developers communicate with me about on a >> semi-frequent basis. >> >> The alternative would have been to silently stop supporting these >> projects ( disappear ) without any notice or explanation. >> >> >> - Marak >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Nathan White >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I usually refrain from this bs but when people start asking for >>> explanations about such absurdities I find it very hard to refrain. >>> >>> Marak's behavior is childish and deserves no explaination. The way he >>> brought this shit to the forum should signal why he was fired. None of >>> these issues should take away from all the other talented members of >>> nodejitsu. It doesn't matter if Marak is right, to handle an issue like >>> this in a public forum is inexcusable. >>> >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Adam Crabtree <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> When a leader departs from a community like this, a reasonable >>> explanation helps answer the most basic questions that are on everyone's >>> minds, while setting expectations of privacy in what they chose not to >>> share. We should respect that and appreciate Marak's willingness to share >>> personal details for the sake of greater clarity. Dramatic or not, none of >>> us knows unless we know the whole story, which Marak chose not to share. >>> >>> Consider reaching out to Marak privately to encourage him in what is >>> obviously a less than ideal situation. >>> >>> Otherwise, let's do as Mikeal suggests. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Adam Crabtree >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Micheil Smith <[email protected] >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Really, that was just me getting a wee bit annoyed at the idea of the >>>> whole dramatisation >>>> here. If a company fires you, they either had a reason to, or, you have >>>> a lawsuit you can >>>> probably press, if you really want to. >>>> >>>> No need to make a big noise about it and try to paint them out as evil >>>> or wrong or whatever, >>>> it's fine though if someone asks that you're honest about it, but do we >>>> really need to >>>> discussion or even here about Marak's firing on the Node.js mailing >>>> list? As far as I'm >>>> concerned, not really, no. >>>> >>>> – Micheil >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/09/2012, at 6:43 PM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: >>>> >>>> > It is beyond foolish to speculate about why someone was fired from an >>>> announcement like this. >>>> > >>>> > I suggest you ask Marak or someone else at nodejitsu you know >>>> personally why this happened if you find it necessary to gossip. >>>> > >>>> > -Mikeal >>>> > >>>> > On Sep 12, 2012, at September 12, 201210:41 AM, Micheil Smith < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Wasn't wanting to add into this, but reading between the lines it >>>> reads as if there >>>> >> was a conflict of interest, Marak was developing something >>>> open-source that was >>>> >> seen as a potential competitor to the closed-source product he was >>>> being paid to >>>> >> work on. >>>> >> >>>> >> Which, if he wished to not stop work on that potential competitor, >>>> then sure, sounds >>>> >> fine to dismiss him from the position he held at the company. >>>> >> >>>> >> And then, all that aside, I can understand being angry at a company, >>>> but the tone >>>> >> of that email was way off. Sure, if people ask you directly as to >>>> why, you can say >>>> >> something to them about it, but no need to make a massive show out >>>> of it. >>>> >> >>>> >> – Micheil >>>> >> >>>> >> On 12/09/2012, at 4:54 PM, Jeff Barczewski wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Yes, it would be beneficial for both sides to communicate a summary >>>> of what transpired to get to this point, rather than leaving this nebulous >>>> cloud over everything. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Marak, have you looked into those companies that were trying to >>>> hire Node developers? (If moving is an option, then NodeUp sponsors like >>>> Clock and Bislr are a few that come to mind) >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Wednesday, 12 September 2012 10:43:15 UTC-5, Zeus wrote: >>>> >>> So what was Nodejitsu's reasoning in all this? 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