On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 10:14:10 AM UTC-8, Darren DeRidder wrote:

> Relevant: There's a discussion on HN in response to Ben Noordhuis 
> officially leaving Node.JS core dev.
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
>

This is an example of Joyent acting unilaterally. I'm not sure if Isaac 
actually took away his committer bit, but he and Joyent seem to want Ben 
out of the codebase. Ben wrote, "I'm probably going to step back from libuv 
and node.js core development." The word probably is important, he wanted to 
leave the option open. I talked to him before he left to go chill out in 
the woods for a week and asked if he really wanted to stop working on 
Node.js. He wasn't sure. He wanted to clear his head first. If he was 
invited back I guess the official Node.js blog would have said so. 
http://blog.nodejs.org/2013/12/03/bnoordhuis-departure/

The announcement of Joyent becoming explicitly commercial about Node and of 
them kicking Ben off the project are on the same day.

I agree with Isaac S. It's a well written email. There's no good reason 
from Joyent's perspective for them to give up the Node.js trademark (which 
is what they do own, not all of the code. They own some of the code but not 
the majority.) 

I stand by my suggestions: 
 - people should disclose their relationships
 - we work as a community to clarify the difference between community and 
core (which is what Mikeal is advocating) 


On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:24:33 PM UTC-8, Mikeal Rogers wrote:

>  I agreed with Bryan and have nothing to do with Joyent. Many others feel 
> the same.
>

If I read your bio on the web you are co-founder of The Node Firm who are 
commercial partners of Joyent: http://www.joyent.com/partners/the-node-firm

 Many others feel the same.
>

And many feel the opposite. Just read around. 

You can work to unite or to polarize. I suspect you'll accuse me of being 
hypocritical in that statement. My view is that I work to unite and I've 
explained why I'm motivated to do so: For the success of our mobile and 
node products we need Node.js to be well respected since we're based on it. 
The incumbent voices like to cast me as a polarizer but that's not coming 
from me on purpose - it's just a natural response by existing folks when a 
new person or group shows up.

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