Chris, While the main function of Northumbrian pipe music is the ritualistic 'playing with ourselves'.... it will be considered folk music.
Also being in the Folk genre doesn't mean 'anything goes'. Check out Bruno Nettl. Steve D -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Chris Ormston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks for your comments, Sheila. Firstly I'd like to say that being away > from Northumberland is not the disadvantage it's sometimes perceived to be. > People often think there's a hotbed of piping, with virtuosity to be heard > in some pub every night of the week - it's not like that! > > The Clough tradition is the only handed-down tradition we have evidence of - > the rest is hearsay - and as Julia has already illustrated, the other > respected pipers of the 20th Century can be directly linked to the Clough > tradition. People often think of the NSP tradition as being "folk music", > so anything goes, but Forster Charlton's description of the approach while > the Cloughs were active tells us that learning our instrument was taken as > seriously as any classical instrument, and why not, unless you're not up to > scratch?. > > As a young piper I was subject to the myths of the time = NSP were a rare > instrument, difficult to play, and their mysteries closely guarded by a > compact group of Northumbrian shepherds. Jack Armstrong was the standard to > aspire to because, well, he himself had told people so, even though Pauline > Cato's interview with Bill Stafford now informs us that Jack wasn't fond of > Northumbrian music. I could digress here into a debate about the relevance, > in the 21st Century, of patronage from Percys, Trevelyans, Blackett-Ords and > Charltons. Shew's the Way to Wallington? - erm, No Thanks! Anyone care to > bite?? > > My own mission, when teaching piping, is to cut out the sentimental view of > much of the 20th century and to avoid learners wasting time in the > associated musical cul-de-sacs. Unfortunately there continue to be > sentimental lies broadcast by individuals who seek to earn their living from > piping, and copying of their styles by those who should know better but see > a fast buck in the making. > > I'm glad that recent research has finally supported the gut feelings I had > when I started playing 32 years ago. Unfortunately this new knowledge > challenges the schemas of many who were sucked in by sentiment and myth, and > I fear there will be a few broken hearts on the journey to the truth. > Still, if you can't stand the heat......... > > Chris > "This is going to hurt me more than it will hurt you" > > PS Sorry to ramble - been in the...... > http://chrisormston.com/Documents/Bridge_End.pdf > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 23 August 2008 15:06 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu > Subject: [NSP] Re: The great choyte debate redux > > Obviously everyone has there own opinion regarding what is good form > and what is not. However, as a person who is on the periphery of the > field, I find it difficult to know what indeed is correct, and what is > considered WRONG and to be DAMNED apart from the fact that it should > basicly be mastered with closed fingering. From this thread, the > impression is given that Clough was virtually the only "pure. > traditional, expert", and that everyone should be following his > dictates. > > > > Comparing these arguments with similar discussions on Baroque music, > where there are those who hold that it should be played as written i.e. > virtually unembellished, there are also those who put forth a very > good case for embellishments and whose performances tend to be > wonderfully inspiring and musical. Incidently, the unembellished > school quite happily accepts, as perfectly correct, the many different > renderings of the "figured bass" which are now found in most editions - > modern performers usually being at a loss if handed a copy with the > bass "as originally written". > > > > << For the soloist, . . . playing a full set of satisfying variations > is the most fun one can have . . . >> > > But for the audience, most frequently, this can seem like the most > boring performance of an endless set of technical exercises. (Wow! > I bet I get either completely ignored ,or slaughtered, for such a > heretic remark!!) > > > > Frequently group piping tends to sound like a bunch of kids reciting > the multiplication tables and seeing who can do it the fastest, > combined with the "kazoo effect", which in part, is bound to result > from lack of standardization of the pitch of the "F" chanter. We > have only to listen to various recordings, some of which are highly > recommended as listening material for beginners and for those living > outside the "native heath"; and which seems to be inevitable in all > sessions, especially if involving more than 2 pipers. > > > > Sheila > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal > [1]here. > > -- > > References > > 1. http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047 > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >
