There's a further topic for discussion. What does anyone claim "Trad C/C" means? I suspect there are people on this list who will disagree with me, but I think the statement 'Trad C/C' is usually a nonsense statement. It's either one or the other. It can't be both. Copyright has to belong to someone.

By calling something 'trad', in effect, a person is saying they do not believe there is anyone who has copyright in it. They aren't expecting to pay royalties for using it, or that someone will leap out of the woodwork who can claim them. A different copyright exists in the actual recording, but you do not give yourself copyright in a piece of music that comes from somewhere else just by finding it on a grubby piece of lined paper, hearing it in a session or playing it. You can only get such a copyright by tracing who wrote it, finding them or their executors, being able to show that their copyright has not expired and persuading them to sell it to you.

As for Jimmy Allen, one cannot prove that it was ancient from a negative, but it does look as though there was no one around in the 1960s or 1970s who claimed that they or their ancestor wrote it. If this reasoning were valid, which it isn't, it would be persuasive that if anyone once wrote it, they died before about 1900. It doesn't, though, unfortunately, provide any direct link to someone who died in 1810.

Dru


On 15 Jan 2009, at 20:18, Ian Lawther wrote:


Copyright control(led)? Often abbreviated to "Cop. Con"

Ian

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On the vinyl itself it is not directly attributed, other than:


{All other material Trad C/C)


?


Not sure what C/C means






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