Hello Tim
   Guess you're thinking about developments such as concert G chanters and
   high C keys. It would be accurate but silly as we both know.
   Clearly the pipes have growing international interest but newcomers
   Googling Northumberland (pipes) would get a very half-baked picture of
   the instrument and its history.
   Even if Northumberland had gained widespread acceptance during the
   appropriate period
   a good case could now be made for Northumbrian.
   Surely we should stick with the accepted and now geographically
   accurate Northumbrian. It is, after all, what most of us call them.
   As aye
   --- On Wed, 6/1/10, tim rolls BT <tim.ro...@btconnect.com> wrote:

     From: tim rolls BT <tim.ro...@btconnect.com>
     Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
     To: j...@millgreens.f2s.com, gibbonssoi...@aol.com, "Anthony Robb"
     Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
     Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 12:09

   Hi All,
   Surely the "Tyne and Weary" pipes appelation should only apply to
   developments since 1973. Before that back to a point where Newcastle
   was a
   county in it's own right (someone fill in the dates here )it's
   Northumberland all the way.
   Perhaps to avoid contention we should adopt a new designation, as
   is to Scotland, and English is to England (Angleland) what about
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Anthony Robb" <[1]anth...@robbpipes.com>
   To: <[2]...@millgreens.f2s.com>; <[3]gibbonssoi...@aol.com>
   Cc: <[4]...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 AM
   Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
   >   Thin ice here,I think, John.
   >   Leaving aside the century in which the unique sound of the pipes
   >   created and whether the addition of keys "improved" this sound,
   >   are real problems, these days, with the appellation Northumberland.
   >   You rightly point out that the Kingdom of Northumbria belonged to a
   >   different era to the modern version of the instrument but then so
   >   Northumberland as now designated by the boundary changes of the
   >   Jim is far closer to the truth when he refers to Northumbria as the
   >   home of our pipes as this region does imply the inclusion of what
   >   now Tyne & Wear, and Durham.
   >   The locals of course usually just referred to them as pipes and
   >   appellations "Scottish" or "Irish" to denote otherwise. When
   >   geographical information was added for the benefit of a wider
   >   Northumberland was used.
   >   This now, however, has a greater lack of accuracy than
   >   "Northumbrian" as it means that the very place where the piping
   >   developments you mention is excluded from the named location.
   >   Perhaps some would like us now to refer to "Northumberland" pipes
   >   the older version and "Tyne & Wear" pipes for the modern version?
   >   As aye
   >   Anthony
   >   --- On Tue, 5/1/10, [5]gibbonssoi...@aol.com
   >   wrote:
   >     From: [7]gibbonssoi...@aol.com <[8]gibbonssoi...@aol.com>
   >     Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
   >     To: [9]...@millgreens.f2s.com
   >     Cc: [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >     Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 23:03
   >      The pipes and the kingdom belong to different eras -
   >      the Northumbrian pipes reached something like their modern form
   in a
   >      similar time and place to the steam locomotive.
   >      But they were called 'Northumberland pipes' then, as were their
   >   simpler
   >      'unimproved' pre-Peacock version.
   >      'Northumbrian' is now used, confusingly, to refer to any of
   >      -the Anglo-Saxon kingdom
   >      -the modern county
   >      -the modern NE region, from the Tees to the border,
   >      never ever specifying which is meant.
   >      It is apparently a gross error to do so, though I never
   >      why....
   >      John
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