Thanks for that Tim most interesting!
It was the Jamie Allan connection I had in mind - he must have been
playing & thieving in
this neck of the woods to end up in Durham jail!
Cheers
Anthony
--- On Wed, 6/1/10, tim rolls BT <tim.ro...@btconnect.com> wrote:
From: tim rolls BT <tim.ro...@btconnect.com>
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
To: "Anthony Robb" <anth...@robbpipes.com>, j...@millgreens.f2s.com,
gibbonssoi...@aol.com
Cc: nsp@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 16:31
I guess we may have to consider allowing Durham,
CHAPELRY OF WHITWORTH.
The Chapelry of Whitworth is bounded by the Wear, dividing it from
Brancepath on the North; by Tudhoe, in the Parish of Brancepath, on
the
East; by Merrington on the South-east and South; and by St. Andrew's
Auckland on the South-west and West.
John Robinson, of Coundon, found drowned the 23d day of August 1637.
He
was a piper.
From: 'Chapelry of Whitworth', The History and Antiquities of the
County Palatine of Durham: volume 3: Stockton and Darlington wards
(1823), pp. 291-302. URL:
[1][1]http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=76361&strq
ue
ry=northumberland piper Date accessed: 06 January 2010.
Tim
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[5]tim rolls
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Subject: Re: [NSP] Re: NSP
Hello Tim
Guess you're thinking about developments such as concert G chanters
and
high C keys. It would be accurate but silly as we both know.
Clearly the pipes have growing international interest but newcomers
Googling Northumberland (pipes) would get a very half-baked picture
of
the instrument and its history.
Even if Northumberland had gained widespread acceptance during the
appropriate period
a good case could now be made for Northumbrian.
Surely we should stick with the accepted and now geographically
accurate Northumbrian. It is, after all, what most of us call them.
As aye
Anthony
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Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
To: [7]...@millgreens.f2s.com, [8]gibbonssoi...@aol.com, "Anthony
Robb"
<[9]anth...@robbpipes.com>
Cc: [10]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Wednesday, 6 January, 2010, 12:09
Hi All,
Surely the "Tyne and Weary" pipes appelation should only apply to
developments since 1973. Before that back to a point where Newcastle
was a
county in it's own right (someone fill in the dates here )it's
Northumberland all the way.
Perhaps to avoid contention we should adopt a new designation, as
Scottish
is to Scotland, and English is to England (Angleland) what about
Northumberlish?
Tim
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From: "Anthony Robb" <[7][11]anth...@robbpipes.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 8:15 AM
Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
>
> Thin ice here,I think, John.
> Leaving aside the century in which the unique sound of the pipes
was
> created and whether the addition of keys "improved" this sound,
there
> are real problems, these days, with the appellation
Northumberland.
> You rightly point out that the Kingdom of Northumbria belonged
to a
> different era to the modern version of the instrument but then
so
does
> Northumberland as now designated by the boundary changes of the
1970s.
> Jim is far closer to the truth when he refers to Northumbria as
the
> home of our pipes as this region does imply the inclusion of
what
is
> now Tyne & Wear, and Durham.
> The locals of course usually just referred to them as pipes and
used
> appellations "Scottish" or "Irish" to denote otherwise. When
> geographical information was added for the benefit of a wider
audience,
> Northumberland was used.
> This now, however, has a greater lack of accuracy than
> "Northumbrian" as it means that the very place where the piping
> developments you mention is excluded from the named location.
> Perhaps some would like us now to refer to "Northumberland"
pipes
for
> the older version and "Tyne & Wear" pipes for the modern
version?
> As aye
> Anthony
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> wrote:
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> From: [13][17]gibbonssoi...@aol.com
<[14][18]gibbonssoi...@aol.com>
> Subject: [NSP] Re: NSP
> To: [15][19]...@millgreens.f2s.com
> Cc: [16][20]...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 23:03
>
> The pipes and the kingdom belong to different eras -
> the Northumbrian pipes reached something like their modern
form
in a
> similar time and place to the steam locomotive.
> But they were called 'Northumberland pipes' then, as were
their
> simpler
> 'unimproved' pre-Peacock version.
> 'Northumbrian' is now used, confusingly, to refer to any of
> -the Anglo-Saxon kingdom
> -the modern county
> -the modern NE region, from the Tees to the border,
> never ever specifying which is meant.
> It is apparently a gross error to do so, though I never
understood
> why....
> John
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