And no one threw any tantra
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>From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>[mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Francis Wood
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 12:17 PM
>To: julia....@nspipes.co.uk
>Cc: Dartmouth nsp list N.P.S. site
>Subject: [NSP] Re: Deaf/dead
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>Hello Julia and others,
>
>I like this reply very much. This has been a good thread and a
>great endorsement of the varied interests which emerge from
>and return to the discussion of our favourite instrument.
>
>It's also a good demonstration of both the value and the
>disadvantages of this list medium. The disadvantages are
>obvious. Searching for topics in the list archives would be
>unsuccessful in the present instance since the header is
>'Deaf/Dead' . . the discussion has now migrated far from that
>original idea. For sequence of topics and responses the Forum
>medium is far superior.
>
>On the other hand, the present list facility is excellent for
>immediate conversational responses. And I must say, I
>thoroughly enjoy the odd and interesting mutations that emerge
>in these discussions!
>
>Francis
>
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>On 21 Jun 2011, at 10:05, Julia Say wrote:
>
>> On 20 Jun 2011, Gibbons, John wrote:
>>
>>> "stacc. abbreviated form of staccato (Italian:
>detached, separated)
>>> staccare (Italian) to detach, to separate each note"
>>> The word has its natural meaning, in other words.
>>
>>> Stacatissimo is what some people think it means, but it doesn't!
>>
>> I believe I read (probably in the online dolmetsch.com music
>theory site since
>> that's what I tend to use) that in classical / art music
>terms these days, a note
>> with a staccato dot should be played half length of what is
>printed, (so a crotchet
>> becomes a quaver, for instance), whilst staccatissimo means
>the note should be
>> played one quarter of the written value.
>>
>> I have more than a suspicion that the precise meaning of
>these terms varies from
>> instrument to instrument (different characteristics and all
>that) as well as
>> through historical and musical time.
>>
>> Maybe an exploration of the relevance and meaning of such
>terms for the nsp is
>> worthwhile. Tenuto also appears to mean separated, but only
>by a hair's breadth,
>> which I think we should appropriate, as it describes exactly
>what we sometimes
>> want. Reading (this time on Wikipedia) legato can be either
>separated or joined
>> (slurred legato?) depending on instrument and context. What
>/ which do we (nsp-ers)
>> mean by it? And under what circumstances?
>>
>> I once played classical flute - where staccato dots often
>(but not always) meant
>> tongueing, slurs meant no tongueing. And so on and so forth.
>Each of us is coming
>> to the nsp with a slightly different perspective and
>experience and we have to bear
>> this in mind in discussions
>>
>> We have staccatissimo marks in Peacock on Meggy's Foot - and
>all seem agreed that
>> this is a highly exaggerated staccato tune.
>>
>> So, in our case, staccatissimo could be said to be "as short
>as you can possibly
>> make it", whilst "staccato" is with the bounce that most
>players seem to apply to
>> (for example) the first of a pair of repeated notes. Not
>something that's ever been
>> pointed out to me formally but "most" players do it, almost
>by instinct. Which
>> makes it traditional in my book.
>>
>> If we can find a consensus on how these terms are / should
>be used in nspiping,
>> discussions might be a little less confrontational.
>>
>> Julia (who has been told off by both Chris O and I- Adrian
>for playing "too
>> staccato" - yeeeeees!)
>>
>>
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