Sorry Steve, I thought it was one of those questions that earnest young students ask after two middies. Bit like the old trees falling in a forest lark, didn't realise you wanted a proper answer. Anyway here goes. If the person to be tortured/murdered is the typical poor innocent sod it usually happens to and the 1 million is composed of Tea Partyists, shock jocks, One Nationers and religious fundamentalist of any stripe, that's not acceptable, let the ****ers starve. If the person to be tortured/murdered is someone like The Texas Chimp, Bliar or The Rodent and the 1 million are torturers, murderers and the big wigs from the governments who order these actions, well that's very difficult and will take at least 6 months for me to decide, in the meantime carry on torturing and starving. If the person to be tortured/murdered is McCarthy and the 1 million are all bona fide atheists (no lousy fence sitting, indecisive agnostics) then that's more than acceptable. Even if the 1 million are substituted with a single mangy dog it's still acceptable. The latter option could work out brilliantly as we give the manager's job to the dog. It'd be cheaper, we'd have a team who look as though they'd trained together at least once, it probably wouldn't keep playing it's favourite bumboys and the substitutions would at last make some sense. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I won't answer that until you answer my question. There are lots of countries that have similar regimes but do nothing for their people (Korea, Burma, most of the middle east, most of Africa). I just don't see it's as simple as focussing on human rights alone. I knew it was a controversial point of view but I thought it could be debated.
On 21 April 2011 19:33, Rog & Reet <[email protected]> wrote: What's your position if that person is your wife or child? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Put it like this: 1 million children can avoid starving to death if one political prisoner is held or tortured or executed. Would you think that is acceptable? On 21 April 2011 14:16, Rog & Reet <[email protected]> wrote: Thought of having your family and friends tortured so you can get more dosh? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 8:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? India is blighted by corruption and its GDP per capita is 1/3 of China's. How many people's lives are saved in China compared to India because the speed of economic growth has been much faster than might have been achieved in a free economy? On 21 April 2011 07:22, Rog & Reet <[email protected]> wrote: ????? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Thursday, 21 April 2011 6:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? Not on the same scale, and that's the point. On 20 April 2011 22:41, Rog & Reet <[email protected]> wrote: Democratic India has done it with a free press and without state sanctioned mass murder and torture. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Wednesday, 20 April 2011 6:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Politically savvy football fans? I think I'm the only one that struggles with the China problem. I've mentioned this to others and they've been horrified. But... I realise that there are human rights problems there in vast number. However, the Chinese government has succeeded in moving hundreds of millions of people out of abject poverty over the last two decades. I seriously doubt if that could have been acheived in a free democracy. I come back to the Vulcan philosophy that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. There might be a million people who are in jail for political crimes but what if the life of hundreds of millions has been improved? Tough one eh? On 17 April 2011 20:36, Rog & Reet <[email protected]> wrote: Last week, when Sydney FC played against Shanghai Shenhua in the Asian Champions League, the fans in The Cove entertained the small crowd with several pithy ditties, including: "One Dalai Lama, there's only one Dalai Lama," and, to the tune of Yellow Submarine, "We all live in a free democracy, free democracy, a free democracy ." -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked. -- Q: If you could change one thing about Wolves history, what would it be? A That Peter Knowles was on the bog when the door was knocked.
