Hi, It is extremely difficult to follow what you write.
On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:43 AM Carlos <linguafa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If I have the following, with these linebreaks as in: > > {\par But a system cannot be successful if it is too strongly > influenced by a single person. {\obeylines Once the initial design is > complete and fairly robust, the real test begins as people > with many different viewpoints undertake their own > experiments.}} Is that the complete document? What do you have in mind with obeying lines in the middle of a paragraph? > > and opted to load another font, other than cmr that is, a \frenchspacing > approach wouldn't be further required cmr? Not used in ConTeXt for a long time. (And what does the changing of font have to do with this?) > > Bear with me here, in the current state, for example, and as long as say > > «…person.␣{\obeylines Once the initial is > complete…» though feasible enough, leaves any prior \␣ at the mercy of > whatever fontsize and/or set width happens to be. And this is just plain > wrong. What? > > Likewise, if a word sequence such as \TeX\ occurs as in {\ss The separation > of any of these four components would have hurt \TeX\ significantly. } Likewise what? > > The next sentence: «If I had not participated…» does not get any > \nofrenchspacing which is equally and doubly problematic. It shows lack of > consistency. And this ought not to be an ‹either› ‹or› scenario. But > rather, an and conjunctional construct. It fails both ways. Consistency of what? Spacing? Where? Can you make a complete example? (You can show space amount with \showmakup[space]) > > Furthermore, with the same token, if width is specified with a > > \setuplayout[width=15cm] OK, here the game changes... > > Anything less than 12.895pt, especifically for that use case, wwould > throw anything, particularly control sequences such as \TeX\ out > of whack, and conversely, once a value of that very pt or pica or > whatever is lowered, it brings that nonfrenchspacing right back on. > And if width increments occur, then it follows that any control sequence > kerning > also gets thrown off as a result. Of course the width influences the spacing. That is how the paragraph builder works (and really, why it often looks good). > > It seems so far, that with lmtx, any standalone file, document, minimal > working example that does not load cmr at the outset does not produce > an acceptable outcome either. By saying acceptable I meant to say it > namely from a typographical point of view. Nothing else. I have no clue of what you talk about here. > > from the TeXbook 380-381 > > «\obeylines doesn’t say ‘\def^^M{\par}’, so we must make any desired changes > to > \par before invoking \obeylines. (2) The \uncatcodespecials operation changes > a > space to category 12; but the \tt font has the character ‘␣’ in the ⟨space⟩ > position, so we > don’t really want ␣12 . (3) The \obeyspaces macro in Appendix B merely > changes the > ⟨space⟩ character to category 13; active character ␣13 has been defined to be > the same > as \space, a macro that expands to ␣10 . This is usually what is desired; for > example, > it means that spaces in constructions like ‘\hbox to 10 pt {...}’ won’t cause > any > trouble. But in our application it has an undesirable effect, because it > produces spaces > that are affected by the space factor. To defeat this feature, it’s necessary > either to > say \frenchspacing or to redefine ␣13 to be the same as \␣. The latter > alternative is > better, because the former will discard spaces at the beginning of each > line.» > > «In theory, this seems like it ought to work; but in practice, it fails in > two ways. One > rather obvious failure—at least, it becomes obvious when the macro is > tested—is that > all the empty lines of the file are omitted. The reason is that the \par > command at the > end of an empty line doesn’t start up a new paragraph, because it occurs in > vertical > mode. The other failure is not as obvious, because it occurs much less often: > The \tt > fonts contain ligatures for Spanish punctuation, so the sequences ?‘ and !‘ > will be > printed as ¿ and ¡ respectively. Both of these defects can be cured by > inserting > > and > > > «When INITEX creates a brand new TEX, all characters have a space factor code > of 1000, except that the uppercase letters ‘A’ through ‘Z’ have code 999. > (This > slight difference is what makes punctuation act differently after an > uppercase letter; do > you see why?) Plain TEX redefines a few of these codes using the \sfcode > primitive, > which is similar to \catcode (see Appendix B); for example, the instructions > \sfcode‘)=0 > \sfcode‘.=3000 > make right parentheses “transparent” to the space factor, while tripling the > stretcha- > bility after periods. The \frenchspacing operation resets \sfcode‘. to > 1000.» Everything you cite above is very likely true for plain TeX, but maybe not for ConTeXt... /Mikael PS I do not think that your emails come out well. In order to get help, I would suggest a strategy that not so much only sounds as nagging and complaints. 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