2008/9/29 Peter Münster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Thu, Sep 25 2008, Olivier Guéry wrote: > > > * There should't be space between two sign. Test 2 > > Hello Olivier, > > IMHO, "frenchpunctuation" should just care about the additional spaces > before some punctuation signs, that are the French typographic mainstream. > Neither more, nor less. Two or three signs like "!!!" are anyway rare > exceptions and perhaps grammatically even not allowed. For such exceptions > one can use for example "\string!", if no space is wanted.
They are not allowed for « strict » french. But if you type a conversation, you can have them. Think about the usage Celine made of the punctuation. So the rules is not : there's a space before « ! ». But there's a space befor « ! » if the signe before is not punctuation. But i understand your point of view. In fact such a rule is so unknow and rare that I thinked it's better to « hard-coded » it. > > I would like to see the rules as simple as this: > - before ":", ";", "?", "!" and "»" add some tiny nobreakspace (for example > half an inter-word space and stretchable) The rule is a bit more complicated for the « : ». My hope was the fact that if TeX is able to have strict rules, let use them ! > - if the author has already added a space (or nbsp) character before such > sign, gobble it and use the tiny nbsp > - same thing after "«" Yes you're probably right. But it's hard to determine what is juste taste or what is rules. > > * The space before the footnote sign is too big (it's clearer with > > othe fonts). Test 4 > > For me, no special treatment should be triggered with "frenchpunctuation" > or \language[fr]. Footnote signs are just a matter of taste and style. I don't know rules in other languages but in french the footnote sign is before ponctuation, so having big space before/after is not clean. If i find the setting for doing this, i'll use it :D. And probably other french people too. But a page on the wiki is maybe enough. > > \mainlanguage [fr] \language[fr] > > \setcharacterspacing [frenchpunctuation] > > Perhaps, it would make sense, to make one test file for \mainlanguage[fr] > and another another one for \setcharacterspacing[frenchpunctuation] ? Ok, result is join. Not shure it's the good syntax (and test n°4 failed to compile, but it can be my instalation). > > 1 The « ; » signs shouldn't be at the beginning of a line, there must be > > space before all sign (look at the rules here : > > http://wiki.contextgarden.net/frenchpunctuation) :\crlf > > To test, that the space is not breakable, one can use: > \start > \hsize1pt > bla: bla : bla : bla~: > bla? bla ? bla ? bla~? > bla! bla ! bla ! bla~! > bla; bla ; bla ; bla~; > «bla» « bla » « bla » «~bla~»\par > \stop Thanks a lot. Cheers, Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] http://nemolivier.blogspot.com
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