On 2/1/2015 4:06 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
Dear Syndicate,
The current bibliography handler uses the following for authors:
\type{\author[junior]{firstnames}[inits]{von}{surname}}
Looks mkii cq. th eold bin system ... no more time will be spent on that
(by me).
Now in Arabic we have something similar to the 'von' field: the definite
article 'al-', 'ibn', etc. Just as with 'von' we want to ignore them in
the alphabetical sorting. [On the other hand, ConTeXt cannot currently
sort its own bbl files alphabetically]. See the linked picture for a
real-life example (the top-right of the page contains both Dutch and
Arabic examples):
The new mechanism uses the same sorter as registers and sorted lists.
So, specific wishes can be addressed there.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rnimlactrlqz6ak/arabic-dutch-bib.jpg?dl=0
Now the {von} field works for these Arabic prefixes, but there is an
issue: There can be no space between 'al-' and what follows (e.g.
'al-Haq'). But the {von} field by default adds a space (von Corbin). So
what to do? One solution is to use \setuppublicationlist[vonsep=] (see
also attached):
I'm sure we can cook up something. Personally I'd like to get away from
this 'von' and 'junior' thing and use better names, like
initials (by default taken from firstnames)
firstnames
prefixes (unless specificed, taken from surnames)
surnames
postfixes (unless specified, taken from surnames)
we can think of a sort keys as well, so maybe:
author = {[sortkey] firstnames, prefixes, surnames, postfixes}
or
author = {sortkey:: firstnames, prefixes, surnames, postfixes}
(we can have an exporter that exports to a regular dumb bib file for
other usage)
==========
\starttext
\setuppublications[alternative=apa]
\setuppublicationlist[vonsep=]
\startpublication[k=corbin81,
t=book,
a=Corbin,
y=1981,
s=Corbin81]
\author[]{Henry}[H.]{von }{Corbin}
\title{The Concept of Comparative Philosophy}
\pubname{Golgonooza Press}
\city{Ipswich, United Kingdom}
\pubyear{1981}
\stoppublication
\startpublication[k=haq,
t=book,
a=Haq,
y=1994,
s=Haq94]
\author[]{Syed Nomanul}[S.]{al-}{Haq}
\title{Names, Natures, and Things}
\pubname{Kluwer}
\city{Dordrecht}
\pubyear{1994}
\stoppublication
\startpublication[k=ragep93,
t=book,
a={Ragep},
y=1993,
s=FJRg93]
\author[]{F.~J.}[F.~J.]{ibn al-}{Ragep}
\title{Memoir on Astronomy}
\pubname{Springer Verlag}
\city{New York}
\pubyear{1993}
\stoppublication
\placepublications [criterium=all] % inherits from \setuppublications
% \completepublications[criterium=cite] % only works with criterium=all
\stoptext
==========
\setuppublicationlist[vonsep=] kills the space after the prefix, but
that means that for every 'von', 'van', 'abu', and the like we have to
add the space manually in the {von} field (as in the above example).
If we don't want to use \setuppublicationlist[vonsep=] then we have to
define a command for 'al-' that gobbles the space:
% \define \GobbleSpace{\ignorespaces}
% \define \Al{al-\GobbleSpace}
If one is using lots of Arabic names and few, e.g., Dutch names, then
using the [vonsep=] approach seems better. But in the upcoming bib
module we may want a better solution so that bbl files can be more
consistent and portable. Any thoughts are appreciated, and
Best wishes
Idris
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