Some other things to ponder, given the recent statements that the internet part involves foreigners: a) indications are that NSA has shared data with other foreign intelligence agencies (such as the UK's GCHQ). Is this a way for those agencies to spy on their own citizens without warrants etc.? b) there's been a lot of finger pointing at the Chinese as hackers attacking & stealing foreign IP. However here there appears to be a potential institutionalised ability for US agencies to look at & stake foreign IP transiting US corporations. Probably not being used for that now, but could be at any time without anyone really knowing.
Cheers Ken -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2013 12:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Do not underestimate the inducements of NSLs, the the loss of a security clearance or threats of fines and jail time, nor the twisted sense of patriotism of some folks. Kurt On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Christopher Bodnar <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with this totally. What I find hard to believe is that this has been > going on for at least 6 years, starting with Microsoft if you believe the > reports, and nobody from MS has come forward as a whistle blower? To me that > is the hardest thing to believe, that of all the IT people involved in this > from a technical perspective, not a single person from any of these companies > came forward. > > > Christopher Bodnar > Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise > Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 > 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 [email protected] > > > > The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America > > www.guardianlife.com > > > > > > > From: Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: 06/06/2013 10:51 PM > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > Sent by: [email protected] > ________________________________ > > > > Over time though more and more people will know (as employees come and go). > People in the legal/compliance departments will now (they’ll be the ones > served with the orders). Some technical people will know (there’s still > physical links and virtual circuits that are needed to pipe this data > somewhere). There’s hooks into the services that need to be created to suck > the data out in the first place. Monitoring tools will see part of this – > that needs to be hidden or explained away somehow. > > Eventually one or more people, either deliberately (because they have a > grudge or philosophical issue), or mistakenly (through human error), are > going to leak what’s going on. > > Cheers > Ken > > > -- > http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer > Typed on a Lenovo Helix – apologies for brevity > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected] > ] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 12:40 PM > To: ntsysadm > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > > > Apparently, any covering up failed here. > > Actually, in a small org, you can do this easily by informing only a > few people. In a large org, you can do this easily by informing a lot > of people, but not giving them enough details about what the project > is really about. (You can also use a small number of people, as is > done for pet projects and special initiatives) > > > > > > ASB > > http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker > Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) > for the SMB market… > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true (both > due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be inclined to > think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials. > > Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to know > (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how you > could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time. > > Cheers > Ken > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > > That's my operating theory. > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to be > done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). > > Jon > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > > through a PRISM darkly > > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000 > > > > > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I > > seriously wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > > To: > [email protected] > > > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > > through a PRISM darkly > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining- > > data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06 > > /06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > > > Kurt > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments > to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt > from disclosure under applicable law. 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