I agree with this totally. What I find hard to believe is that this has been going on for at least 6 years, starting with Microsoft if you believe the reports, and nobody from MS has come forward as a whistle blower? To me that is the hardest thing to believe, that of all the IT people involved in this from a technical perspective, not a single person from any of these companies came forward.
Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 [email protected] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: 06/06/2013 10:51 PM Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Sent by: [email protected] Over time though more and more people will know (as employees come and go). People in the legal/compliance departments will now (they’ll be the ones served with the orders). Some technical people will know (there’s still physical links and virtual circuits that are needed to pipe this data somewhere). There’s hooks into the services that need to be created to suck the data out in the first place. Monitoring tools will see part of this – that needs to be hidden or explained away somehow. Eventually one or more people, either deliberately (because they have a grudge or philosophical issue), or mistakenly (through human error), are going to leak what’s going on. Cheers Ken -- http://au.linkedin.com/in/kschaefer Typed on a Lenovo Helix – apologies for brevity From: [email protected] [ mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Baker Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 12:40 PM To: ntsysadm Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly Apparently, any covering up failed here. Actually, in a small org, you can do this easily by informing only a few people. In a large org, you can do this easily by informing a lot of people, but not giving them enough details about what the project is really about. (You can also use a small number of people, as is done for pet projects and special initiatives) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market… On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true (both due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be inclined to think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials. Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to know (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how you could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time. Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Jonathan Link Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly That's my operating theory. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to be done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). Jon > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000 > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I seriously wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through a PRISM darkly > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > Kurt > > ----------------------------------------- This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you.
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