What about the ISP part? If your goal is a secure LAN, then you have lots of options. As soon as you speak to anyone outside that LAN, all illusions about security and privacy (particularly privacy) should vanish.
*ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:48 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote: > http://owncloud.org/ > > - I'd rather spend a few extra bucks on my own hardware - > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Paul Natola > > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:43:12 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > To: [email protected] > > > Leave and go where? I'll bet that it's not just Microsoft and Google in > this project. > > The only real business risk is from foreign customers and prospects. > Domestic businesses don't really have viable options if all the > aforementioned are only a subset of organizations participating. > > Besides, all of these orgs are going to say, "We follow subpeonas and > legitimate court orders" which would leave our data exactly where it is now > -- with the USG. > > I've long stated that the real way the government will get access to > everyone's data is to simply grab it from the vendors. All that hoopla > about awesome technology that is being used to suck the data from across > the net is pointless without hooks into vendor infrastructure. > > > > > > > *ASB > **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* > **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) > for the SMB market…*** > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > > But we’re not talking about small or even medium sized businesses here. * > *** > > ** ** > > Google and Microsoft are behemoths, who would stand to lose billions of > dollars a year in revenue (plus what they’ve staked as their future > business model – cloud computing) if they were found out to be lying about > this. I can imagine they would push back very hard on this type of thing, > and I’m sure they have very effective lobbying/regulator relationship teams. > **** > > ** ** > > Every single one of their current and future business customers would > leave. Plus they’d be sued out of existence by their shareholders (maybe > not in the US, but I could see overseas shareholders doing so). It’s one > thing to comply with a draconian government law. It’s another thing to lie > to your owners about it.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jon Harris > *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 11:58 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly**** > > ** ** > > Have you ever been in the cross hairs of the USG? They don't take being > told "no" very well and this is from a former US state worker. I have seen > a state agency ask "nicely" and when met with resistance they become very > Borg like. > > Jon > **** > ------------------------------ > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:39:59 +0000**** > > Considering the fallout if they deny this, and it turns out to be true > (both due to litigation, and customers fleeing their services), I’d be > inclined to think that they wouldn’t willy-nilly issue untrue denials.**** > > **** > > Given how many companies are involved, and how many people would need to > know (technical people, legal people, senior execs), I just don’t see how > you could keep this all covered up for a significant amount of time.**** > > **** > > Cheers**** > > Ken**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [ > mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On > Behalf Of *Jonathan Link > *Sent:* Friday, 7 June 2013 11:28 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly**** > > **** > > That's my operating theory.**** > > **** > > **** > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > Considering the fallout if they admit to allowing this type of thing to > be done I would guess not them (Microsoft et. al.). > > Jon > **** > > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, > through a PRISM darkly > > Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 01:04:08 +0000**** > > > > > > Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already issued denials. I seriously > wonder who's telling the truth :-| > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff > > Sent: Friday, 7 June 2013 10:27 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [NTSysADM] Now the fertilizer hits the ventilator - or, through > a PRISM darkly > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_print.html > > > > Kurt > > > > **** > > **** > > >
