On the evidence, absolutely. For an intelligence/espionage operation to be so thoroughly pwned because of such amazingly poor internal operational security, there can be only one conclusion - management responsible for internal security should be fired.
I'm just glad they weren't, and I hope that what Snowden took is enough to bring them down, and that it's all revealed to the public. Kurt On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > So, you’re saying that the feared NSA, which has a bunch of > un-discovered rootkits, which able to undertake some of the most advanced > espionage in the world, is managed by idiots? Seriously?**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jon Harris > *Sent:* Saturday, 31 August 2013 6:17 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.**** > > ** ** > > Generally from I have seen in state (Florida) organizations is that they > don't like promoting anyone but a moron into supervisory positions. > Occasionally someone will make a mistake and promote an intelligent person > but not often. I would suspect this is the case with the Feds as well > (worked with them too). Several times I have seen them hire those with > less brains and longer tongues and large lips over those with brains. As > long as this keeps happening then we will continue to see this happen. It > will be a long time before they get rid of all the defective management > personnel as I would think private companies would have little to gain by > keeping them (maybe why they seem to concentrate in public jobs?) and in a > government job it is MUCH harder to get rid of them. > > Jon > **** > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:34:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]**** > > +13**** > > On Aug 30, 2013 11:05 AM, "Kurt Buff" <[email protected]> wrote:**** > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I accidentally hit CTRL-Enter before finishing that email... and > apparently that's a shortcut to instantly-send a message in Gmail. Yay! I > love learning new things... but anyways - So, yea, this Forbes article > was the first I have seen that highlights the real underlying IT problem > regarding Snowden - aside from other OT issues. > <snip> > >> > >> I may have missed some article by someone else somewhere, but Its to > see Forbes 'get it' before anyone else... > >> > >> > http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/30/if-the-nsa-really-let-edward-snowden-do-this-then-someone-needs-to-be-fired/ > >> > >> -- > >> Espi > > > Agreed- massive failure on the part of many people in the NSA in > implementing security procedures. > > Of course, what Snowden showed, beyond that, is the massive failure > that is government policy and practices regarding > surveillance/espionage in general, so I'm actually quite happy Snowden > was able to do what he did. > > Kurt > > **** > >
