And what are your qualifications/experience, that allow you to make such a call? (I’m assuming that you have no inside knowledge of how the NSA works, and are relying on the public speculation/allegations at el Reg etc.)
Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kurt Buff Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013 12:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. On the evidence, absolutely. For an intelligence/espionage operation to be so thoroughly pwned because of such amazingly poor internal operational security, there can be only one conclusion - management responsible for internal security should be fired. I'm just glad they weren't, and I hope that what Snowden took is enough to bring them down, and that it's all revealed to the public. Kurt On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So, you’re saying that the feared NSA, which has a bunch of un-discovered rootkits, which able to undertake some of the most advanced espionage in the world, is managed by idiots? Seriously? From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Jon Harris Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 6:17 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. Generally from I have seen in state (Florida) organizations is that they don't like promoting anyone but a moron into supervisory positions. Occasionally someone will make a mistake and promote an intelligent person but not often. I would suspect this is the case with the Feds as well (worked with them too). Several times I have seen them hire those with less brains and longer tongues and large lips over those with brains. As long as this keeps happening then we will continue to see this happen. It will be a long time before they get rid of all the defective management personnel as I would think private companies would have little to gain by keeping them (maybe why they seem to concentrate in public jobs?) and in a government job it is MUCH harder to get rid of them. Jon ________________________________ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:34:15 -0400 Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> +13 On Aug 30, 2013 11:05 AM, "Kurt Buff" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I accidentally hit CTRL-Enter before finishing that email... and apparently > that's a shortcut to instantly-send a message in Gmail. Yay! I love > learning new things... but anyways - So, yea, this Forbes article was the > first I have seen that highlights the real underlying IT problem regarding > Snowden - aside from other OT issues. <snip> >> >> I may have missed some article by someone else somewhere, but Its to see >> Forbes 'get it' before anyone else... >> >> http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/30/if-the-nsa-really-let-edward-snowden-do-this-then-someone-needs-to-be-fired/ >> >> -- >> Espi Agreed- massive failure on the part of many people in the NSA in implementing security procedures. Of course, what Snowden showed, beyond that, is the massive failure that is government policy and practices regarding surveillance/espionage in general, so I'm actually quite happy Snowden was able to do what he did. Kurt
