*shrug* I don’t feel the need to trot out my bona fides and that does not
even take into account the NDA that is still binding on me. Either what I've
said makes sense at face value or it doesn't. I don't particularly care how
you feel about it; feel free to ignore it completely if that makes you
happy. Heck, declare victory and have a ticker tape parade if that is what
will complete your world. This is not the proper venue for a pissing match.
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Schaefer
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 6:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.
You've designed "more secure" systems at scale (40K+ employees) in an
information heavy organisation (bank, accountancy etc.)?
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Monday, 2 September 2013 4:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.
Aside from reading all those Le Carre novels?
I've already designed more secure systems than were obviously in place, as
have many people on this list, perhaps including you.
Kurt
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
And what are your qualifications/experience, that allow you to make
such a call? (I’m assuming that you have no inside knowledge of how
the NSA works, and are relying on the public speculation/allegations
at el Reg etc.)
Cheers
Ken
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Kurt Buff
Sent: Sunday, 1 September 2013 12:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.
On the evidence, absolutely.
For an intelligence/espionage operation to be so thoroughly pwned
because of such amazingly poor internal operational security, there
can be only one conclusion - management responsible for internal security
should be fired.
I'm just glad they weren't, and I hope that what Snowden took is
enough to bring them down, and that it's all revealed to the public.
Kurt
On Sat, Aug 31, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
So, you’re saying that the feared NSA, which has a bunch of
un-discovered rootkits, which able to undertake some of the most
advanced espionage in the world, is managed by idiots? Seriously?
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Jon Harris
Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013 6:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.
Generally from I have seen in state (Florida) organizations is that
they don't like promoting anyone but a moron into supervisory positions.
Occasionally someone will make a mistake and promote an intelligent
person but not often. I would suspect this is the case with the Feds
as well (worked with them too). Several times I have seen them hire
those with less brains and longer tongues and large lips over those
with brains. As long as this keeps happening then we will continue to
see this happen. It will be a long time before they get rid of all
the defective management personnel as I would think private companies
would have little to gain by keeping them (maybe why they seem to
concentrate in public jobs?) and in a government job it is MUCH harder to
get rid of them.
Jon
________________________________
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 14:34:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] Re: Finally.
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
+13
On Aug 30, 2013 11:05 AM, "Kurt Buff" <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Micheal Espinola Jr
<[email protected]> wrote:
I accidentally hit CTRL-Enter before finishing that email... and
apparently that's a shortcut to instantly-send a message in Gmail. Yay!
I
love learning new things... but anyways - So, yea, this Forbes article
was
the first I have seen that highlights the real underlying IT problem
regarding Snowden - aside from other OT issues.
<snip>
I may have missed some article by someone else somewhere, but Its to
see Forbes 'get it' before anyone else...
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/08/30/if-the-nsa-really
-let-edward-snowden-do-this-then-someone-needs-to-be-fired/
--
Espi
Agreed- massive failure on the part of many people in the NSA in
implementing security procedures.
Of course, what Snowden showed, beyond that, is the massive failure
that is government policy and practices regarding
surveillance/espionage in general, so I'm actually quite happy Snowden
was able to do what he did.
Kurt
