You have an RFP, a contract. I have a eula I click through. I still say you have more negotiating power.

We print tax returns with potential identity theft information as well as potential sensitive business documents. For my firm, Kinkos is not even an option and honestly wouldn't even be considered in the analysis.

We have one wifi printer for clients, we don't do wifi enabled printers in the lan, so the wifi standard hasn't really come up.


On 7/22/2014 10:01 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
There's nothing you've written below that indicates that your space is any 
different to mine. We have to ask questions up-front as well - we don't get to 
change things once a contract's been signed either.

How you want to buy a service is something you need to decide before you even go look at 
a EULA is my point. When you decide you need to produce some printed material, is the 
first thing you do "read a EULA"? Or is it decide whether to have a printer 
internally vs. using the local Kinkos/print house? I'd say that the latter question is 
far more important than worrying whether a printer supports your WiFi security standard.

Cheers
Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 2:48 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...

In small business we click yes to a eula.  We don't get the ability to set the 
requirements as the software vendors don't give us options so we must ask the 
questions from the get go because we don't get the right to change anything.  
We either buy or don't buy the software.

It's just a different space is all.


On 7/22/2014 8:07 PM, Ken Schaefer wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 12:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] I'm sure you've heard already...

I just called up my cable company to reconfigure my ever increasing cable bill 
and renegotiated the costs.
So the idea that cloud services has a defined cost structure I would debate on.
I didn't say you couldn't negotiate, or that they don't have different service 
offerings.

But you don't to work out what you're paying for their buildings, their 
network, their labour, their taxes, their advertising, their monitoring and so 
on, and so on.

You pay $x/month, and you get a set of defined services (e.g. for a
telco it might be 500 minutes,500 text messages, voicemail and 5GB of
data - I don't really know what cable providers provide)

As the vendors themselves stop developing premises based software -
(and this is the key movement I see in the SMB space) - because it's
cheaper for them (less support for us pesky desktops with lord knows
how many versions of OS), easier for them to build the infrastructure where 
they want it, and better for them as they can plan on the revenue subscription 
model.  As Rod said, it's the app model taking over.
No, it's not the "app model" - it's "services". There is nothing particularly 
special about most IT - it's just services. Has the whole IT Service Management bandwagon passed 
this list by?

Your company buys marketing services, legal services, property
management services, utility services (gas, electricity, water),
cleaning services, recruitment services and any other number of
"services" today. Most of IT, except a continually evolving core that
provides business differentiation, will also be bought as services.
[1]

It could be provided internally by an internal service provider (just
like some companies have internal legal departments, and internal
marketing departments), or it could be provided by an external service
provider (outsourcer or cloud)

Ask the hard questions of the vendors ... Ask who has the encryption
keys, etc etc
Who has the encryption keys is a details thing. First you need to know what 
service you want and how much it's worth to you and how you want to buy it - 
this is your service architecture. Implementation details are something you can 
work out in your detailed requirements phase.

Working out /how/ you want to buy a service is much harder question than who 
has encryption keys.

Cheers
Ken

[1] the whole network/systems/security admin jobs are disappearing theme that 
crops up here every so often is related to this, IMHO. Those types of roles 
aren't particularly necessary for a lot of in-house environments any more. 
Instead, they'll be provided as part of a service (again, by an internal SP, or 
external SP). There may be a few environments (e.g. we have some payments apps, 
that $1bn+/day pass through) which need dedicated infrastructure BAU people.











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