That's one option.  Or you could use those two slots for online hot spares
and copy critical data to another device.

Or any number of options, but, personally, I don't like to run with out hot
spares.

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:54 PM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote:

> and that is why I will elect to use 6 discs in the array, and use the
> remaining 2 , to backup the critical data from the raid 6 array.
>
>
> Jean-Paul Natola
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [NTSysADM] SHR vs Traditional RAID/RED drives
> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 01:43:04 +0000
>
>  Just to add:  My Synology DS2413+ got corrupted about a year ago and I
> effectively lost all of my data.  At that time, I posed the question to
> Synology as to what they recommended when I set up the server again – SHR2
> or RAID6.  I was informed that while both options technically will work,
> they recommended RAID 6 over SHR2 for 7 or more hard drives for
> reliability.
>
>
>
> -Aakash Shah
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:
> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *James Button
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:39 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] SHR vs Traditional RAID/RED drives
>
>
>
> My point is that you need to have a reasonable recovery concept (and
> frequently proven process) to deal with a hard drive failing – mirror  or
> rebuildable striping
>
> And that should include the possibility that it may  be the NAS housing
> that fails – possibly taking the drives with it.
>
> And the data on the still OK  drives not being in a structure accessible
> by any other OS you have to hand.
>
>
>
> Yes – if you need speed striping etc. or maybe a large set of small drives
> ( 2¼” laptop ones maybe – TomsHardware did a project a long while ago
> comparing throughput on a large number of small drives vs a small number of
> large drives, and the conclusion was the small drives option was much
> faster, used a lot less power just needed more PSU and connection
> considerations   - as in massed add-in drive controller boards.
>
>
>
> For those considering faster storage access – SSD is the easy way,
> alternatively go the volume way or ‘attach’ partitions of several drives as
> folders of an NTFS OS/filestore partition/drive.
>
>
>
> HOWEVER – do make sure that :
>
> 1)      The PSU can manage the drives powering up at system startup.
>
> 2)      The BIOS can manage the drives – maybe delay/sequenced power up
> at system startup.
>
> 3)      The OS can manage that much MFT data being scanned etc. at
> startup.
>
> 4)      There is sufficient real memory to manage the combined  MFT data
> without massive paging of memory
>
>
>
> I have a win7 ultimate system that gets itself into knots if there are
> more than 2 2TB drives USB attached at startup.
>
> It happily runs with 5 drives attached if they are started up sequentially
> – as in wait for the windows explorer to sho a drive before connecting the
> next – and connecting means the interface cable, not just the power-brick
>
>
>
>
>
> JimB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* [email protected] [
> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On
> Behalf Of *J- P
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:09 PM
> *To:* NT
> *Subject:* RE: [NTSysADM] SHR vs Traditional RAID/RED drives
>
>
>
> My initial thought was raid 10  using 4tb (as thats what I use for
> servers) but I was reading about their SHR and it sounded interesting in
> that you can use different size drives and not lose any space
>
> The MEDIA data that  is stored, is not "active" they do a job, transfer it
> there, after 6 months it gets erased.
>
> but I plan to use the additional storage for doing local server backups as
> well. (I do back up there servers off-site but its not realistic to  pull
> 3TB over the wire).
>
> MY thought was 6 drives in raid10, then use the 2 remainig drives to copy
> what is deemed critical off the raid10
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:44:00 -0800
> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] SHR vs Traditional RAID/RED drives
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
>
> The WD NAS drives are only rated for groups of up to 6 and aimed squarely
> at the consumer market. They're rated for something along the lines of
> 180TB/year and only an error rate of 1x10^14.
>
>
>
> The Red Pro drives are slightly better and built for 8-16 bay units backed
> by a 5 year warranty, have a 7.2K speed and a much better 1x10^15 error
> rate and warrantied for 550TB/year written, also dropping in capacity to
> 4TB.
>
>
>
> If data is critical then move to their WD RE series drives again a
> 550TB/year rating along with 7.2K spindle and 5 year warranty with an even
> better 1x10^16 error rate.
>
>
>
> If you need the density you pay for it in reliability currently, be
> prepared to keep multiple copies. You mentioned 'terabytes of data' - how
> hot/cold is it?
>
>
>
> Also if you're using anything above 1TB drives please don't use RAID5
> you'll just be kicking yourself later :(
>
>
>   Nathan Shelby
> Lead Systems Engineer – Quote Wizard <https://quotewizard.com/>
> [email protected] / 206-753-2626
> Malo Periculosam Libertatem Quam Quietum Servitium
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 8:00 AM, J- P <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm looking to drop one of these in at customer site,
> https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS1815+
> I'm curious to know if anyone has elected to use their proprietary raid
> SHR/SHR2, and if so how it stacks up to traditional raid in terms of
> performance.
>
> And on a separate  note , has anyone jumped onto  the  WD RED "NAS" drives
> yet?
>
> I like the idea of 6TB for 270.00, but not crazy about 54k speed or 3 yr
> warranty
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-3-5-inch-IntelliPower-WD60EFRX/dp/B00LO3KR96/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_text_y
>
> however ,  226.00 for a 4TB 72k with a 5 year warranty does sit a little
> better
>
> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LO3KRM8
>
> any feedback is appreciated
>
>
>

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