Interesting...this marks the first time I've read the commercial version of the EULA. Guess perpetual entitlements are only for the public sector. TIL.
On Aug 24, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Don Ely <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Maintenance releases, yes. The rest... I'm no legal expert, but it would appear that is frowned upon.... Too many words and I got tired of reading... http://www.juniper.net/support/eula.html On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 3:18 PM Jack Kramer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: As far as I know there are no issues on Juniper's end with obtaining newer firmwares. All you need is an account on the support site and certification of US-based status for some of the cryptographic modules. Obviously use of the firmware is unsupported without an active support contract. On Aug 24, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Don Ely <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: The question isn't typically did you have a problem, the question is better phrased, is what I am doing legal? I can download some Cisco stuff anytime I want, doesn't make it legal. I can enable features on my Junipers without paying for a license too, pretty certain that is not ok either.... On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 1:30 PM Jack Kramer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I've never had an issue downloading firmware for SSG, SRX, and EX series products that were out of support. That's one nice thing about Juniper. On Aug 24, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Ah, yes. I forgot about firmware and smartnet. It's possible that Juniper has a similar policy, but I've also found that it's usually fairly inexpensive to bring Juniper under support, where as smartnet is painfully expensive. Kurt On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Michael B. Smith <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: With Cisco, if you don't have smartnet, you can't legally get firmware updates. If you look at Curvature's support policy, it's all about replacement hardware. I don't make comment about right/wrong/indifferent. That just has to figure into the company's plans. From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of J- P Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 9:50 AM To: NT Subject: [NTSysADM] used/refurb/eol Hi all, I decided to start a new thread as this is no longer a suggestion or recommendation of brands, As I mentioned in a previous thread, I service a company that uses only Cisco (and they have over 1000 centers), however, one thing I noticed is that they NEVER buy new, it is always used. While I cannot mention the name of the company, I can mention the name of where they get the products from https://www.curvature.com/ One thing I do like about them is that they offer an alternative to smartnet contract AND they support hardware after EOL https://www.curvature.com/Services I'm just wondering what is the consensus regarding this? Jean-Paul Natola
