I dont think that's an accurate summation. As far as I know, CIQ operates the same way on all devices. relaying full diagnostic information should be off all all devices by default, but there are still various ways this information can be [ab]used without the consumer's consent.
-- Espi On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > Okay so I had not finished all of the messages in the thread it was on the > iPhone but at least you could turn it off and you can't do that on the > others. > > Jon > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Jon Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It seems no one has yet found it on either the iPhone or the Windows >> phones. It has so far only been on the Android, RIM, and Nokia based >> phones that have it. I believe the article says that both Apple and >> Microsoft retain more control (or implies they do) of the OS post sale to >> manufactures than the other vendors are. >> >> Jon >> >> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I dont see how this is a Google failure. Its installed and tracked by >>> the carrier. Its not inherent in any OS - its an installed component found >>> in *many* mobile devices across just about all modern platforms. >>> >>> Or am I mistaken? >>> >>> -- >>> Espi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Stu Sjouwerman < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Google, What Happened To 'Do No Evil'? >>>> >>>> Google: #FAIL! There is a process installed on most recent Android >>>> phones >>>> called Carrier IQ. You cannot stop this process. It looks at what is >>>> happening on the phone and sends every button you press to the IQ app. >>>> From there, the data — including the content of text messages — is sent >>>> to Carrier IQ’s servers, in secret. I checked it out on my own HTC >>>> Android phone from Sprint and sure enough, it's there. >>>> >>>> It cannot be turned off without rooting the phone and then replacing the >>>> whole OS. Moreover, even if you stop paying for service from your >>>> carrier and just use Wi-Fi, your phone still reports to Carrier IQ. >>>> Dang! >>>> >>>> Worse, if you use Google search, and type in a search term, this is >>>> supposed to be https, so it should be encrypted. However, the Carrier >>>> IQ software sends it over Wi-Fi in cleartext: #DOUBLEFAIL. >>>> >>>> This particular software is installed on 142 million handsets, including >>>> modern BlackBerry and Nokia phones, but no one knew about it until >>>> Android developer Trevor Eckhart analyzed how it works. >>>> >>>> The software secretly logs pretty much anything that happens on a phone, >>>> supposedly for the reason that carriers and phone manufacturers 'can do >>>> quality control'. Yeah right, maybe so, but Carrier IQ can be served >>>> with >>>> subpoenas as well, and then all traffic is right there for Big Brother >>>> to >>>> be perused. Me no like. And think about compliance for a moment !!! >>>> >>>> Wow, what a privacy and security hole, unbelievable. Here is the 17-min >>>> video where he clearly shows what is going on. Eckhart calls it a >>>> rootkit, >>>> but that is a bit much, though it clearly qualifies as a Backdoor Trojan >>>> in my book. >>>> >>>> Probably CIQ started out with the laudable idea to measure carrier and >>>> handset performance. But that is where it went off the rails in a hurry. >>>> Using code that acts like a backdoor Trojan is totally the wrong way to >>>> do that. I wonder if they heard of the Sony rootkit debacle of 2005? >>>> >>>> It's not clear yet how this went down, did Google cave to the carriers' >>>> demands to have this running without being able to stop it, to get their >>>> contracts? Did the carriers put it on there without them knowing? Why >>>> did >>>> they not scream bloody murder when they found out? Who is behind this? >>>> >>>> I would have expected more from Google, and am disappointed. See the >>>> video for yourself. Not that I have anything to hide, but I'm going >>>> to root my phone now. Video on WIRED: >>>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-software-logging-video/ >>>> >>>> Warm regards >>>> >>>> Stu Sjouwerman >>>> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>>> >>>> --- >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>>> >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
