The cost of RAM is not the issue - it's the fact that one single product requires the use of 50% of the maximum effective usable memory of a 32-bit OS. We have SBS 2003 servers out there which are running everything on them but the coffee machine, and the cumulative RAM usage on them is less than what SEP recommends for itself alone on a server. So I can deploy something which uses resources more efficiently, like NOD or Trend, and leverage the existing resources for things which relate to the clients' productivity, and which they can 'see', or I can install SEP and say 'OK - that's it, the server is maxed.'...Unless, of course, you happen to know of where I can purchase a 64-bit version of SBS 200x? Because if you do, then feel free to educate me as then I can just keep chucking more RAM into the system to compensate for inefficient applications. As for the other deficiencies of SEP - I believe the list members have given enough examples of those.
Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems From: Eric E Eskam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24-Jan-08 11:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Latest antivirus test results from Andreas Marx in XLS format "Amer Karim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 01/23/2008 10:29:05 PM: > Snippet from a support case I had opened with them for my one and only > attempt at deploying SEP at one of our clients: > > " Our product - Symantec Endpoint Protection - alone requires a server > with 2GB of memory to run the following software as part of an embedded > database install of SEPM: The Server OS, SEPM Manager Console, Sybase > Embedded Database. Additional software would require more memory. If > BackupExec was previously installed, this would have put an even greater > load on the server." So? Memory is ridiculously cheap. Aside from client install and upgrade issues (which they appear to *finally* be addressing in SEP) the management tools in NAV/SEP are top notch. Nothing comes for free. The more extensive the management tools, the more the system requirements. Me, I'd rather bump up the server's RAM and still have rich client management and reporting tools, then deal with some of the other things I have seen discussed in this list with other products. I find complaining about resource requirements these days rather tiresome. Yes, in a perfect world everyone would follow Steve Gibson's lead and program in assembly - but that just isn't happening. Heck - my laptop has 4 gig's of RAM - is that more then your server? I do find it ridiculous that in this day and age Microsoft charges obnoxious amounts for a Windows Server Enterprise license to get above 4 gig of RAM - but that's another thread... I criticize Symantec as much as anyone else - they do have real flaws. But you are going to find out, so does all other software. If you have really been reading this list the last year that's quite apparent (just look at all the threads on NOD - and it's the one spoken the most highly of!). So, you can go chase the "next great thing" or leverage your existing investment of time and experience with a product and tune it to run the best in your environment. You are going to have to do the same thing even if you switch to a new product - except you will be starting over from scratch - not just improving on an existing install and knowledge. Eric Eskam =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The contents of this message are mine personally and do not reflect any position of the U.S. Government "The human mind treats a new idea the same way the body treats a strange protein; it rejects it." - P. B. Medawar ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm> ~
