Going to college opens doors.  And it almost doesn't even matter what the
degree is in.  I think it's like a secret handshake.  It says "I can
navigate a byzantine bureaucracy and complete a series of tasks without
close supervision."

I might be wrong, but I think it's always there in the subconscious.  I had
doors open for me that were previously shut by completing a degree (my
degree is not in IT, but in accountancy).

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:29 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote:

> "This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
> Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess
> the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
> industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
> that thinking.
>
> It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we
> changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of
> that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't
> told what was really happening.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for
> a very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in
> the process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes
> when "all of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no
> college degree.  This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
>
> I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: MMF [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> > Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very
> > strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact
> > that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER
> > ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer,
> > period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can
> > fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied
> > background which would include more than one job over a decade. I
> > think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds
> > to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch
> > my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best
> > efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
> >
> > Murray
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Hill
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> > I feel for you.
> >
> > But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can
> > offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were
> > employed by them.
> >
> > You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> > "Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."
> >
> > Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no
> > project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff
> > treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop
> > the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it),
> > I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop
> > the fires (also gave
> > details.)
> >
> > I guess they rather have the fires...
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
> > > years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
> > >
> > > I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
> > > people so far.
> > >
> > > I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
> > > background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
> > >
> > > Good luck!
> > >
> > > Don K
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Jacob Kisner <[email protected]>
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> > > Subject: OT - ugh!
> > >
> > > Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
> > > different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
> > > are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that
> > > we changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same
> > > company for 15 years..."  WTF?
>
>
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