I wanted to stay with LH, given that I liked it so much, and that growing that solution is so easy, and management is just as easy - we have three units, and adding a fourth would have been a no-brainier.
Manager had experience with EMC in his previous company and didn't want to look at anything else, so the LH is basically an orphan now. Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:50, Sean Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions other > than VNX and LeftHand? > > And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect the > unexpected. > > I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s arrays > we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm retiring both > of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the while deploying > six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS Heads and working > on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. > > - Sean > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some >> disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do >> understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been >> better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on >> their part was just a bit rich... >> >> Kurt >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being >> > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of >> > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not >> > necessarily an >> > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a >> > better >> > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch >> > a >> > higher-end solution (if justified). >> > >> > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the >> > template to >> > those that expressed interest individually. >> > >> > - Sean >> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs >> >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation >> >> > of >> >> > technical >> >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you >> >> > put >> >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the >> >> > vendor a >> >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of >> >> > their >> >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >> >> > allows us to >> >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >> >> > might be >> >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 >> >> > requirement >> >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger >> >> > cache. >> >> >> >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >> >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >> >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >> >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >> >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >> >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between >> >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >> >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >> >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >> >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >> >> >> >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template >> >> > we >> >> > used for our last storage purchase. >> >> >> >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow >> >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >> >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >> >> that raised my dander. >> >> >> >> > - Sean >> >> > >> >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >> >> >> purchase, methinks... >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 >> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a >> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They >> >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >> >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models >> >> >>> supported >> >> >>> SCSI 3. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - Sean >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> that. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >> >>>> Mathew >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >> >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >> >> >>>> troubling >> >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >> >> >>>> larger than >> >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, >> >> >>>> it's doe >> >> >> >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but >> >> >>>> that's >> >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. >> >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this >> >> >>>> limitation? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Kurt >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >>>> ~ >> >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> --- >> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> --- >> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>> >> >> >>> --- >> >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> > or send an email to [email protected] >> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> > >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > --- >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> > or send an email to [email protected] >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
