Me four please! I'd love to see that template. Thanks!
Jonathan On Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM, "Sean Martin" <[email protected]> wrote: > Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions other > than VNX and LeftHand? > > And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect > the unexpected. > > I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s arrays > we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm retiring both > of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the while deploying > six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS Heads and working > on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. > > - Sean > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some >> disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do >> understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been >> better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on >> their part was just a bit rich... >> >> Kurt >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being >> > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of >> > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not >> necessarily an >> > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a >> better >> > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to >> pitch a >> > higher-end solution (if justified). >> > >> > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the >> template to >> > those that expressed interest individually. >> > >> > - Sean >> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs >> >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation >> of >> >> > technical >> >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you >> put >> >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the >> vendor a >> >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of >> their >> >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >> >> > allows us to >> >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >> >> > might be >> >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 >> >> > requirement >> >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger >> >> > cache. >> >> >> >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >> >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >> >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >> >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >> >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >> >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between >> >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >> >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >> >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >> >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >> >> >> >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template >> we >> >> > used for our last storage purchase. >> >> >> >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow >> >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >> >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >> >> that raised my dander. >> >> >> >> > - Sean >> >> > >> >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >> >> >> purchase, methinks... >> >> >> >> >> >> Kurt >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 >> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a >> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC >> is >> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They >> >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >> >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models >> supported >> >> >>> SCSI 3. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> - Sean >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited >> to >> >> >>>> that. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Thanks, >> >> >>>> Mathew >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >> >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >> >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >> >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >> >> >>>> troubling >> >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >> >> >>>> larger than >> >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community forum, >> >> >>>> it's doe >> >> >> >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but >> that's >> >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no problem. >> >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this >> limitation? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Kurt >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >> ~ ~ >> >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> --- >> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> --- >> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >>> >> >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >>> >> >> >>> --- >> >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >>> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> >> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> > or send an email to [email protected] >> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> > >> >> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> >> >> --- >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> >> or send an email to [email protected] >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> >> > >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> > >> > --- >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> > or send an email to [email protected] >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
