It's beginning to look like DropBox or Google Docs might be in order for the template :)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Jonathan <[email protected]> wrote: > Me four please! I'd love to see that template. > > Thanks! > > Jonathan > On Feb 8, 2012 2:00 AM, "Sean Martin" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Understood. Out of curiousity, did you look into any other solutions >> other than VNX and LeftHand? >> >> And, to respond to your comment about never outgrowing the unit, expect >> the unexpected. >> >> I never thought we would outgrow the capabilities of the two CX700s >> arrays we implemented in our first SAN solution. Six years later I'm >> retiring both of those, two Celerra NAS gateways and a CX4-960. All the >> while deploying six new Compellent arrays, 3 EqualLogics with FS7500 NAS >> Heads and working on a recommendation for a purpose built Tier 1 solution. >> >> - Sean >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some >>> disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do >>> understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been >>> better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on >>> their part was just a bit rich... >>> >>> Kurt >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being >>> > frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of >>> > functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not >>> necessarily an >>> > issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a >>> better >>> > job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to >>> pitch a >>> > higher-end solution (if justified). >>> > >>> > I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the >>> template to >>> > those that expressed interest individually. >>> > >>> > - Sean >>> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs >>> >> > to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation >>> of >>> >> > technical >>> >> > requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps >>> you put >>> >> > on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the >>> vendor a >>> >> > uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of >>> their >>> >> > platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that >>> >> > allows us to >>> >> > weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement >>> >> > might be >>> >> > that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 >>> >> > requirement >>> >> > might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage >>> larger >>> >> > cache. >>> >> >>> >> This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, >>> >> and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser >>> >> hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given >>> >> to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have >>> >> the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this >>> >> limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between >>> >> EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used >>> >> them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep >>> >> he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the >>> >> matter - I suggested another LH unit. >>> >> >>> >> > It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the >>> template we >>> >> > used for our last storage purchase. >>> >> >>> >> That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow >>> >> the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us >>> >> doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other >>> >> that raised my dander. >>> >> >>> >> > - Sean >>> >> > >>> >> > On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> >> If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before >>> >> >> purchase, methinks... >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Kurt >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin <[email protected]> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI >>> 3 >>> >> >>> protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was >>> a >>> >> >>> limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because >>> EMC is >>> >> >>> marketing it as an entry level "all-in-one" storage solution. They >>> >> >>> need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive >>> >> >>> platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models >>> supported >>> >> >>> SCSI 3. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> - Sean >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >>>> I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited >>> to >>> >> >>>> that. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Thanks, >>> >> >>>> Mathew >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >> >>>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[email protected]] >>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM >>> >> >>>> To: NT System Admin Issues >>> >> >>>> Subject: EMC limitations? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a >>> >> >>>> troubling >>> >> >>>> limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it doesn't support LUNs >>> >> >>>> larger than >>> >> >>>> 1.99tb. According to a post by EMC staff on their community >>> forum, >>> >> >>>> it's doe >>> >> >>> >> >>>> to the implementation of the SCSI II protocol. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> I don't know if this limitations affects its use as a NAS, but >>> that's >>> >> >>>> disturbing. My Lefthand units support larger LUNs with no >>> problem. >>> >> >>>> And, otherwise, it's performed just fine - no problems at all. >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Does anyone out there now if other EMC products have this >>> limitation? >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> Kurt >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>> ~ ~ >>> >> >>>> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> --- >>> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! >>> ~ >>> >> >>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> --- >>> >> >>>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> >>>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> >>>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >>>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >> >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> --- >>> >> >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> >>> >> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >> >>> >> >> --- >>> >> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> >> or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> > >>> >> > --- >>> >> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> > or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >> >>> >> --- >>> >> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> >> or send an email to [email protected] >>> >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >> >>> > >>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> > >>> > --- >>> > To manage subscriptions click here: >>> > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> > or send an email to [email protected] >>> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >>> >>> --- >>> To manage subscriptions click here: >>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >>> or send an email to [email protected] >>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >>> >>> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ >> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ >> >> --- >> To manage subscriptions click here: >> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ >> or send an email to [email protected] >> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin >> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ > > --- > To manage subscriptions click here: > http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ > or send an email to [email protected] > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to [email protected] with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
