I am by NO means an expert, but we have briefly overviewed the SCCM 2012 line 
as we start to look at possibly rolling out DPM.  We also run a Hyper-V Cluster 
and are currently using SCVMM 2008 R2 and SCCM 2007 R3, so it might fit nicely 
in with what we already have.

>From what I can tell reading of what you're referring to (written by J. C. 
>Hornbeck 
>http://blogs.technet.com/b/scvmm/archive/2011/06/28/high-availability-enhancements-in-vmm-2012.aspx),
> it appears that they are making SCVMM 2012 a cluster aware application, hence 
>it could be installed directly into a Microsoft failover cluster.  What I 
>can't tell from the article though is whether they are referring to actually 
>installing in the same Microsoft failover cluster as where you are running 
>your Hyper-V VMs, assuming you are using a cluster, and I don't think they 
>are-that might be what is confusing to you.  If you're not using a failover 
>cluster, this whole scenario won't even apply to you, but if you are, I think 
>they intend for you to have another one for your SCVMM.

As to the licensing, you'll want to review that.  The MS person we got the 2012 
demo from told us they are COMPLETELY revamping the SCCM licensing starting 
with 2012, so the licensing works in a completely different way than previous 
versions have.  You'll want to check with an MS sales person who knows the new 
licensing to get the rundown on the changes.

Right now, with SCVMM 2008 you have a few dilemmas that I think they are trying 
to solve.  If you install it on a guest server in your Hyper-V cluster, and the 
cluster is down for any reason, the SCVMM tool you need may not be available.  
The general alternative is to install it on a separate physical server, but 
then you end up running one more physical box (and paying for licensing, etc), 
and that HW can also go offline.  Failover clustering is the next logical step 
if you need that high of availability for your SCVMM.

BTW, that is a good read-I'm looking forward to the Dynamic Optimization patch 
management feature.  That would be really nice if it acutally works as they 
describe.

-Bonnie

From: Jeff Brown [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Clustering/SCVMM

I have been going around and around in circles with SCVMM blogs and MS White 
papers and can't find anything that actually ANSWERS my question.  I have a 
test environment with 3 HyperV hosts, all W2K8 R2 connected to an EMC fiber 
channel SAN.  It all works.

Production servers here are all ESX.  I ran SCVMM2012 RC for a time on a VM in 
the ESX side.  There were a lot of things I could not do because it did not 
have access to the same SAN space as my HyperV environment.

I have removed VMM and taken down the ESX VM and am trying to decide how best 
to install VMM in my HyperV environment.  I have ASSUMED that installing it on 
a host is a NO NO, because of licensing issues.

I am struggling to understand how it(VMM2012) will work installed on a HyperV 
VM.  I am looking at a doc written by J.C. Hornbuckle: HIGH-AVAILABILITY 
ENHANCEMENTS IN VMM 2010. There is a phrase that says: "simply begin the 
configuration on an existing cluster node"...

This is my question:  Is a HyperV VM a cluster node?  Or does the term "cluster 
node" refer only to my HV Host machines?

Jeff Brown
IT Operations
Webco Industries
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