> It sounds like Bob had a WDRAP Actually we had some use-it-or-lose-it PSS hours left over and I had a one day engagement with an AD PFE for some issues I wanted to go over.
He said he did the desktop optimization stuff "when he was bored" or when there were AD implications (go away Carl) Our desktop folks who are struggling with poor startup times on XP had a similar engagement to the WDRAP last year but I believe they totally focused on slow startup. Needless to say, the fellow we had showed us some things with xperf in just a couple of minutes that weren't part of the takeaway for the desktop guy I discussed it with. As you said, almost all of the countless things that were contributors had nothing to do with AD or the network, rather the configuration of various workstation elements. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Desmond [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) Second the xperf tracing here - you can get a lot of insight. There are countless components that play into the logon and startup processes outside of this. It sounds like Bob had a WDRAP which is a good use of premier dollars if you have such a contract in place. Thanks, Brian Desmond [email protected] w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -----Original Message----- From: Free, Bob [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) The way it was explained to me was if the profile tab was used in ADUC to make the setting, that it is legacy NT. Makes sense when you think about other methods to do it that than the legacy ones, such as GPP or GPO login scripts. In our case we were only talking about the home directory and login script. Profiles or software installation are another case. I've been discussing it offline with Brian D and he said he had reached out to someone, he has a pretty long reach so I expect some better answers are forthcoming. :-) If you are struggling with slow logins, I'd strongly suggest getting familiar with xperf. It's an amazing tool. The "Dude where's my PFE" blog is a great resource for xperf. http://blogs.technet.com/b/jeff_stokes/archive/2011/12/05/xperf-o-rama.aspx -----Original Message----- From: Glen Johnson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) I've been following this thread very closely as we've experienced extremely slow logins and yes we use the roaming profile and home directory settings on the profile tab in ADU&C. Does anyone know what the statement, "When a user has a roaming user profile or a home directory for logon purposes", actually means? Specifically the part, for logon purposes? Does it just mean that if the user has a home directory or profile defined or something totally different? Also, what is the recommended way to do home directory mapping and profiles, if not in the profile tab? >From some of the links, I'm guessing a group policy preference, but not sure. -----Original Message----- From: Free, Bob [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.210.3.203] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_748CF90EABA4224ABF3D957402E1271515146A84EXCHMBFF123Util_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Forwarded --_000_748CF90EABA4224ABF3D957402E1271515146A84EXCHMBFF123Util_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Better link than the one from MSDN http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc758898(v=3Dws.10).aspx Fast Logon Optimization is always off during logon under the following cond= itions: When a user *first* logs on to a computer. (the MSDN link leaves out the o= perative word...doh) When a user has a roaming user profile or a home directory for logon purpos= es. When a user has synchronous logon scripts. From: Free, Bob Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:39 AM To: 'NT System Admin Issues' Subject: RE: (homedrive) When he told us about it, I figured out the reg keys associated with logon = optimization from something Darren had blogged and tested it and sure enoug= h, when I removed the logon script and home folder in ADUC and rebooted 2x = the key changed state, my logon was faster and without the "applying your s= ettings" screen or whatever it is on XP. This guy knew his stuff about slo= w logons and gave us a whirlwind tour of xperf from another customer engage= ment. Very cool tool. Unbelievable amount of detail about startup is availa= ble from it. I did a cursory search back then for something more authoritative than "thi= s PFE told me" and found this http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windo= ws/desktop/aa374350(v=3Dvs.85).aspx I haven't had time to visit it further but one of our very sharp desktop gu= ys is. The above is all null and void if you are planning on blaming AD for the mi= sbehavior of Citrix :-p From: Webster [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:webster@carlw= ebster.com]> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:03 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: (homedrive) Bob, I am giving a Geek Speak session at Citrix Synergy in May. My GoogleFu isn= 't turning up anything on this. I would like to add this to my "It's Not C= itrix, It's Your !@#$%^& AD" talk. (well I was told I can't use that title= but that is what I call it. Actually I think that was MBS' idea for my se= ssion title.) Do you have a reference for this I could link to in my talk or maybe even s= end me a LMGTFY link? Thanks Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com From: Free, Bob [mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> Subject: RE: (homedrive) We had a PSS PFE onsite recently for an AD engagement and we were discussin= g slow boots during a break in the action and he brought up something I had= never heard of before. I was always under the assumption that we had what is known as Fast Logon O= ptimization on our XP systems that allows GPOs to process asynchronously in= the background. He told us that it is disabled in our environment because we use the profil= e settings to map homeDir and specify login script. Basically anything that is set on the Profile tab in ADUC is considered leg= acy NT behavior and disables logon optimization. I had heard before that ro= aming profiles or software installation policies disabled it but this was n= ews to me. I played around with my account on an old XP box and it rang tru= e, never got around to looking into it further or on WIN7. 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(the M= SDN link leaves out the operative word…doh)<o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">When a user has a roaming user profile or a home = directory for logon purposes. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">When a user has synchronous logon scripts.<o:p></= o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Free, Bo= b <br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:39 AM<br> <b>To:</b> 'NT System Admin Issues'<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: (homedrive)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">When he told us about = it, I figured out the reg keys associated with logon optimization from some= thing Darren had blogged and tested it and sure enough, when I removed the = logon script and home folder in ADUC and rebooted 2x the key changed state, my logon was faster and without the= “applying your settings” screen or whatever it is on XP. = This guy knew his stuff about slow logons and gave us a whirlwind tour of = xperf from another customer engagement. Very cool tool. Unbelievable amount of detail about startup is available from it.<o:= p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I did a cursory search= back then for something more authoritative than “this PFE told me= 221; and found this <a href=3D"http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa374350= (v=3Dvs.85).aspx"> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa374350(v=3Dvs.85)= .aspx</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I haven’t had ti= me to visit it further but one of our very sharp desktop guys is.<o:p></o:p= ></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The above is all null = and void if you are planning on blaming AD for the misbehavior of Citrix :-= p<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Webster <a href=3D"mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]";>[mailto:webster@carlweb= ster.com]</a> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 13, 2012 4:03 AM<br> <b>To:</b> NT System Admin Issues<br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: (homedrive)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Bob,<o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I am giving a Geek Spe= ak session at Citrix Synergy in May. My GoogleFu isn’t turning = up anything on this. I would like to add this to my “It’s= Not Citrix, It’s Your !@#$%^& AD” talk. (well I was = told I can’t use that title but that is what I call it. Actually I think that was= MBS’ idea for my session title.)<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Do you have a referenc= e for this I could link to in my talk or maybe even send me a LMGTFY link?<= o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks<o:p></o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Carl Webster<br> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional<br> <a href=3D"http://www.CarlWebster.com"; target=3D"_blank">http://www.CarlWeb= ster.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa= n></p> <div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <div> <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in = 0in 0in"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"= ;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s= ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Free, Bo= b <a href=3D"mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]";>[mailto:[email protected]]</a> <br> <b>Subject:</b> RE: (homedrive)<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">We had a PSS PFE onsite = recently for an AD engagement and we were discussing slow boots during a br= eak in the action and he brought up something I had never heard of before.<= o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">I was always under the a= ssumption that we had what is known as Fast Logon Optimization on our XP sy= stems that allows GPOs to process asynchronously in the background.<o:p></o= :p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">He told us that it is di= sabled in our environment because we use the profile settings to map homeDi= r and specify login script. <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">Basically anything that = is set on the Profile tab in ADUC is considered legacy NT behavior and disa= bles logon optimization. I had heard before that roaming profiles or softwa= re installation policies disabled it but this was news to me. I played around with my account on an old XP box = and it rang true, never got around to looking into it further or on WIN7.<o= :p></o:p></span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span>= </p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">FWIW, YMMV </span><span = style=3D"font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span style=3D"color:bl= ack"><o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p>~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~<br> ~ <<a href=3D"http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/"= >http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/</a>> >~<= br> <br> ---<br> To manage subscriptions click here: <a href=3D"http://lyris.sunbelt-softwar= e.com/read/my_forums/"> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/</a><br> or send an email to <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= ">[email protected]</a><br> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin<o:p></o:p></p> </div> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ <BR> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ <BR> <BR> --- <BR> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ <BR> or send an email to [email protected] <BR> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ <BR> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ <BR> <BR> --- <BR> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ <BR> or send an email to [email protected] <BR> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ <BR> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ <BR> <BR> --- <BR> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ <BR> or send an email to [email protected] <BR> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ <BR> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ <BR> <BR> --- <BR> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ <BR> or send an email to [email protected] <BR> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ <BR> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~ <BR> <BR> --- <BR> To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ <BR> or send an email to [email protected] <BR> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin </BODY> </html> --_000_748CF90EABA4224ABF3D957402E1271515146A84EXCHMBFF123Util_--
