Exactly how are you going to change the listserv account details of those who do have passwords? I've had a password on my Lyris account for quite a while and increased its complexity a few years ago.
A blanket statement that many know isn't true - not such a great idea for trying to improve one's respect. In fact the hole being dug seems to be getting deeper. http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29375.html Carl From: Cynicalgeek [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? Yea, like pointing out the fact that the moderators of this LISTSERV are doing it wrong. The LISTSERV can't keep up with the traffic. There's no security whatsoever on the accounts of members of these lists. Go ahead, go log in as anybody that you want to, change their password, their name, and their Email address. Heck, sign them up for other mailing lists if you want. Do you need ANY OTHER REASON to move the list? BTW, you're welcome for pointing that out to everybody. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected]> wrote: In the absence of updates and information rumors and dark thoughts grow... On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Paul Hutchings <[email protected]> wrote: Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) _____ From: Jonathan Link [[email protected]] Sent: 14 March 2012 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is "free" or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I'm paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I'd be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I've gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I've been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall <[email protected]> wrote: <$.02> It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. </$.02> 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings <[email protected]> Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris "upgrade", but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? 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