yeah, totally ironic.  that is why i posted it.

Steven M. Caesare wrote:

Then you don’t understand either irony, or the meaning behind Bill’s explanation.

-sc

*From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:00 PM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Cc:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: list delays

Sarcasm meter it should be.
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:15 PM, Jonathan Link <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    So, the irony meter should be off the charts.  Good to know.

    2012/3/14 Bill Humphries <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>

    Also, what is awesome is that the text is originally from Cicero
    where he discusses how no one really wants pain or grief for the
    sake of pain or grief.

    Bill


    Cynicalgeek wrote:

    You guys and gals are awesome.

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    On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Jonathan Link
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
    wrote:

       Please do NOT remove your sig.
       Unless you replace it with an even better sig, of course. :-)

       On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, James Rankin

       <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

           I think your moniker is well-deserved - "masters" of the list
           is very cynical. I don't see it that way. And if anyone from
           this list saw fit to speak to my employer or attack me
           personally via telephone or snail mail, I'd see fit to go over
           to knock on their door and have it out with them. I come from
           a pretty grassroots place so if someone's out of order we tend
           to see nothing wrong with getting down on the cobbles, if
           necessary, and sorting it out. Each to their own. I don't
           think anyone here would do that, though. Maybe I'm "naive
           geek", but I'm not worrying about it.

           IMHO, YMMV, usual disclaimers.

           Signature will soon be gone.

           Cheers,



           JR

           On 14 March 2012 15:53, Cynicalgeek <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>


           <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

               It's pretty easy to ignore a signature, but to have to
               ignore it hundreds or thousands of times when it's
               including in replies by other people just doesn't make any
               sense to me.  But....whatever.

               You know I've considered using my real name on here
               several times.  However, after seeing how a lot of the
               "masters" of this list treat the readers of the list, I'll
               never do it.  The "masters" find enjoyment in berating and
               personally attacking readers of the list.  I wouldn't put
               it past some or the "masters" to actually look somebody up
               and either A) call a list member's employer to complain,
               or B) personally attack (verbally) in real life over the
               phone, via snail mail, etc.

               This list is still useful but there is a lot of
               unprofessionalism that goes on that has nothing to do with
               my 'cynicalgeek' email address not using my real name.


               On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Jonathan Link

               <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>


               wrote:

                   It's pretty easy to ignore a signature.  It's also
                   funny, so I tend to give it a pass.  I've seen worse
                   signatures with huge pictures, those are pretty
                   objectionable.  The list members have come down hard
                   on people with huge graphics and whatnot in their
                   signature.  Is Mr Rankin's long?  Yeah, but it's text
                   and it doesn't stand out and cry for my attention,
    either.
                                    Turning this on its head.  If you
    expect the courtesy
                   of Mr. Rankin trimming his signature,  why is it
                   unreasonable for someone to ask you to use your real
                   name?  Or at least use an alias that appears
    legitimate.
                                    Community is built when people
    "know" who their peers are.
                   On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Cynicalgeek

                   <[email protected]
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                   wrote:

                       #1 I read nothing in the EULA about having to use
                       my real first and last name.

                       #2 I shouldn't have said that the LISTSERV should
                       munge the long signature, I should have said that
                       list owners should gently ask users not to use
                       signatures that are incredibly long and useless.

                       #3 I'm trying to make constructive suggestions
                       that would help the community of this
                       list...solutions that would cost members of the
                       list NOTHING and improve the service of the list.


                       On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Don Ely

                       <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

                           1 demerit for you sir!


                           On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Jon Harris
                           <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>

                           <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

                               Now someone is either dreaming or you have
                               had way too many beers tonight sir.
                                                            Jon

                               On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Don Ely
                               <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>

                               <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

                                   And while were at it, posts will only
                                   accepted by the listserv provided they
                                   contain the appropriate amount of
                                   research has been completed with
                                   references included!


                                   On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Gary
                                   Slinger <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>

                                   <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:

                                       Equally, if it purged everyone
                                       that doesn't post with a cleartext
                                       real-world name, that would be a
                                       good thing also.

                                       ------Original Message------
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                                       Personally I think if the LISTSERV
                                       would munge James Rankins' email
                                       signature on demand we would all
                                       be better off. ;)

                                       Sent from my iPhone

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